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5-13-2008-06 Step 1: Identify the Problem. The City Manager is wasting tax payer money. Most citizens of Iron Mountain realize this. Step 2: Solve the Problem. Get rid of the City Manager. We are in the process of doing this. Step 3: Create a City government that operates within the law and the financial reality of this city. Create a realistic plan. Step 4: Implement Plan. Step 5: Receive feedback from the general public on if the plan is working. Step 6: Start over on step 1. As you can see, in any simple problem solving model, there are steps to solve a problem. We are currently on Step 2. The writer of post 5-13-2008-04 has obviously never solved a problem. He or she wants to know what step 3 is. Its hard to move on to step 3 when you haven't finished with step 2. The opposition to the recall wants to bog down step 2, that way we will never get to step 3. Its that simple!!! 5-13-2008-05 Inasmuch as faith in
purported federal and/or state investigations of Marquart et al
persists on this site (cf 5-13-2008-01), it apparently is necessary
to clarify the goals and urgency of the recall movement. 5-13-2008-04
The three challengers plan went like
this:
Stack the city council with your
"groupies" : family members, retired former employees and vocal
old-timer politicians and make your voice appear larger than it
actually is "shout" loud enough and your message will be bound
to be heard.
How is a group of supporters for the
other side any different than the tactics of the challengers?
Please,Please tell me just
how(ok,after you fix the wrongs of the past)you plan to move
forward and what your ideas are...I have heard ENOUGH about how
you are going to fix the past. TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
DO AFTER YOU FIX IT!!!!!
5-13-2008-03
I am just Ms. Average citizen in
Iron Mountain. Like most us trying to deal with rising costs.
If you are against, for or undecided about the recall and you
honestly have no agenda, please tell me why would anyone pay
thousands of dollars to retain a Council position in Iron
Mountain. If you are really being honest, how does the means
justify the end, for a $500 a year position? Just a little food
for thought for those of you who think like I do.
5-13-2008-02 In spite of what Mr. Marquart keeps telling the media, it is he making all the crooked moves. He gets to place the blame on the council (and rightly so) because they approve everything. In fact, I'm surprised the remaining four still back Marquart after the reports that make it clear that he places ALL responsibility on them; making himself look like some innocent pawn in their plans. Poster # 5-12-2008-03 wants to know the newer council members plans for the future of the city, instead of what has gone wrong in the past. How can this city move forward until the those past wrongs are rectified? How can they make plans for anything while the city is sinking in debt and all of the funds that once existed to maintain and replace have been robbed? How can they present a plan until they have a competent manager to work with? No big company moves forward without a competent CEO. How can they present anything when they are being lied to, just like the rest of us? Until we get a new manager in place and repair what has been destroyed, there can be no true progress. The past wrongs are not behind us. They are still with us; with many of them on-going. Unfortunately, growth is the least of our worries right now. We need to get the basics back on tract before looking ahead. Look at our roads. Look at our equipment. Sure we all want advancement and jobs and growth; but we need to be practical and take care of what already exists first. Marquart and his cohorts have failed to do this. Personally, I see the vision of the newly elected council members. They want to get us back to being functional as a city. They want to get us a manager that works for ALL of the citizens, not a select few; and who uses our tax dollars to provide for every one of us, not just the downtown and the elite. I don't care about downtown festivals and pretty lighting while the streets I drive on are in such deplorable condition. A council cannot bring jobs to a city. They can only work at providing a functional city that attracts business to locate here. Marquart wants to use tax dollars to pay for private business and industry. We need our tax dollars being spent on services for all of the people. Whether it be through this recall attempt or the next regular election, the people want a change in council members and they want Marquart gone. Sometimes re-organization is necessary before there can be new vision and direction. It's been said before, and I support it: I am for anyone who wants John Marquart gone and against anyone who supports him. I don't know any of the council people personally (the old or the new); but I have experienced enough of Mr. Marquart to know that I want him out of here! If the older council members want him to stay, then I don't want them as my representatives. I lived in this city through many managers and more councils than I can count. If these past several years are considered progress, you can keep it. I've never seen our city in such a mess! 5-13-2008-01 The four incumbent
members, the City Manager and their financial backers have a very
simple model. 5-12-2008-08
"Love for Sale" 5-12-2008-07 Post 5-12-2008-03 wrote: Please provide us, the citizens, YOUR ideas for future growth and development in Iron Mountain. Very well, here are ten of my ideas on change and moving forward in a positive way. 1. All lying, fibbing, stretching the truth, misinformation, misleading, or whatever else you want to call lying by city officials, elected or appointed, shall cease immediately. Documentation of the facts shall rule the day, and the present practice of attacking the messenger shall no longer be tolerated. 2. In the course of City business, the City Charter, and all existing city ordinances shall, from this point forward, be followed by everyone, including the city manager. Favors for "friends" shall no longer be justification to bend or break the rules. Violations shall be prosecuted or reversed, whichever has the greater benefit to the people of the City. 3. Likewise with number two, State and Federal laws shall henceforth be obeyed, even when they get in the way of what the City wants to do. 4. City business, especially in dealing with issues which might be controversial, shall be conducted in an open and honest fashion. All information on given issues shall be available for the public to consider, not just the select bits and pieces John Marquart wants known. 5. Citizens who have the courage to attend public meetings and voice their opinions shall be treated with dignity and respect. 6. Any and all retaliatory measures taken against citizens, council members, or city employees who disagree with John Marquart shall cease and desist as a method of controlling and intimidating said citizens, council members, and employees. 7. City financial coffers shall no longer be raided for the personal gain of council members or family or friends of council members. This includes TIFA 8. City employees shall no longer be treated as second-class citizens. 9. Henceforth, incompetence, lying, bullying, lawbreaking, disrespectful attitude, and retaliatory practices shall no longer be rewarded with bonuses, but, rather, with termination. 10. From this point forward, the citizens of this City shall have a right to have their concerns addressed fully, honestly, openly, and without character assassination for asking. Likewise, citizens who point out lawbreaking, bullying, harassment, incompetence, and the like shall not be persecuted for bringing the truth to light. This would be a good start. 5-12-2008-06 Regarding 5-12-2008-03: The Positive ApproachIn late November 2007 a small private civic group, with members of all types from all fields of endeavor from here and many other parts of North America now living here and of which I'm a part, tried to do exactly as you suggest. Your idea is a good one. Perhaps you're sincere and will listen this time. We were scorned and discouraged on this site and off of it by members of both sides who seemed more interested in either only fighting each other or only getting everything that they wanted rather than genuinely working together to find and apply solutions. Below is the initial post we sent here. Despite the slippery management/council machinations regarding the old Khoury property and the exposure of the slick and hidden project to bring a casino into Iron Mountain as a fait accompli and develop around it accordingly, we resubmit our posting of last November unchanged. Since we submitted that post, we've continued our work despite the feuding. If you're serious about seeing and hearing effective ideas within the perspective a large picture and greater vision, and will take them seriously, then we accept your invitation, your challenge, and we'll again start to provide them. As far as the newly elected council members, you're not paying attention or are being misled if you don't think they haven't made an effort to do as you ask in your posting. Dave Farragh provided a wise, excellent, and inexpensive solution a couple months ago to the A Street project, meeting its goal while buying the city time to work toward long-term improvements and saving it a great deal of money and financial risk. Tina Peterson has been routinely working with and through state agencies and attempting to present state initiatives for grants and jobs through the governor's initiative to attract business and especially alternative-energy industry to Iron Mountain, something for which there is a great deal of support and money now in Lansing and nationwide. The mayor and city manager, however, have blocked her at every turn, inexplicably claiming a higher priority for city trails, of all things, and downtown improvement, which is like the tail wagging the dog. We don't see why the city should apply different standards to her efforts to provide money and jobs for Iron Mountain than the city applies to the city manager or any other city official. These new members and Mr. Rosen, and a number of department heads and other city employees, including the police and fire chiefs, have a good deal of other workable and economical suggestions for raising the standard of living and improving the quality of life in Iron Mountain, reasons for which the new council members were elected, recommendations that are effective under similar circumstances elsewhere and are not based on the current desires of a few or the pages of a musty 1970s political-science textbook or a predetermined managerial template, and might be able to present them publicly for consideration and adoption if the mayor and city manager, in conjunction with the other three council members, will depart from the strict and unexplained adherence to their pre-fixed agenda and pre-election plans and, instead of provoking and demonizing the new members, will allow them to contribute constructively. The voters have ordered you, veteran council members, and you, city manager, to let the new ones in. So that's our positive and worthwhile suggestion for tonight: let 'em in. Until our next contribution ... MMA et al.
11-19-2007-04 5-12-2008-05 This is what it's come to in Iron Mountain today? Justifying improper behavior to get your way rather than just behaving properly to begin with? And to pay a lobbyist big bucks to buy that justification? To sell the lie? 5-12-2008-04
To 5-12-2008-02: 5-12-2008-03
To the purveyors of this site and
the challengers/newly elected council. Please provide us, the
citizens, YOUR ideas for future growth and developement in Iron
Mountain. Please tell us what it will take to bring jobs and
stability here. Please, do not tell us anymore how we need to
fix the past. How wrong everything has been and what
opportunities have been lost because of it. Please do not tell
us what is wrong with other peoples suggestions and plans for
future job growth and developement. Please tell us what YOUR
ideas and suggestions are on future growth and developement.
Then we, as citizens, can really trully have a choice on our
direction. Until then all your thoughts are negative to others
ideas, not positive thoughts and ideas for change.
5-12-2008-02 Re: 5-11-2008-02 5-12-2008-01 Who ever heard of hiring a high-powered, down-state lobbying firm to fight a piddly city council recall effort in the Upper Peninsula? Not to mention expensive down-state lawyers. It doesn’t make any sense unless there really is something big and secret going on behind the scenes. Like this secret casino deal, for instance. Who is going to reap the benefits of this deal? Who is paying for the lobbying firm? The same people, I’d imagine. Is public disclosure required on who is paying for the lobbyists? It is election campaign related. I wonder if there would be an Indian tribe listed? This whole thing stinks, and is all the more reason to throw these bums - Burke, Caudell, Tchokreff - out. One thing I can not tolerate anymore is the people with inside information making money off City decisions that are kept hidden from the public. Oh, and making money off the people who do not have the inside info, too. And what about the other local government entities? Are they hiding this, too? When you take the quotes from that Feb. 22, 2008 newspaper article and put that US Dept. Of Interior letter next to it, it looks obvious that there has been a united effort by local government entities to keep this whole thing quiet. Is that what we elected ANY of them for? Secret deals? Making money from inside information? Taking advantage of the people without the info? Making huge, long-lasting decisions without our input? Behind our backs? Some local officials - Iron Mountain, Breitung Township, Dickinson County, Dickinson Area Partnership, etc. - better start coming clean on this soon. It is quite a stretch to believe that the tribe applied for this two years ago, and that they have not talked to ANY local officials about it, as the quotes in the newspaper most definitely imply. 5-11-2008-04
If there is an interest in the
requirements of 25 C.F.R. 151.10 and 151.11 which are cited in
the Department of the Interior letter, check
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title25/25-1.0.1.8.63.html
5-11-2008-03 Loved the C. S. Lewis
quote on progress posted at 5-8-2008-05. Nails the
incumbents perfectly. 5-11-2008-02 5-9-2008-06
restrikes a chord that's been humming in my chest and growing in
volume for two and a half years. I believe that in 5-5-2008-02's
provocative post she too remarked that instead of higher authorities
stepping in she would rather see us take care of our own business,
wash our own dirty laundry. In fact, I believe a couple of others
mentioned it too. It seemed this was a major reason for their
involvement. 5-11-2008-01
FYI: According to Therese Fortier, anti-recall lawyer Mary Ellen
Gurewitz will argue on May 20th that there are six examples of
unclear language in the original petitions to recall Dan Burke, Eden
Caudell, and Robin Tchokreff. 5-10-2008-01
Some additional information
about the Casino situation:
According to the Indian Gaming
Regulatory Act (IGRA), tribal gaming should take place on lands
located within boundaries of a tribe's reservation as it existed
on October 17, 1988.
The exceptions, however, are:
1. If the land is taken into trust
for the tribe as part of a settlement of a land claim.
2. If the land is restored to a
tribe whose status has been newly recognized by the Fed. Gov.
3. If the Sec. of the Dept. of the
Interior and The State Governor sign off on the land-into-trust
for gaming proposal.
Points to ponder:
Federally recognized tribes are
sovereign nations, and are exempt from local planning and zoning
laws.
Gaming developments require fire,
ambulatory, sewage and water services...yet are exempt from
State and local taxation.
Excerpt:
"Should the citizens of the
surrounding community be asked to fund the services necessary to
support the gaming development--such as road construction and
housing development--if they had no opportunity to meaningfully
participate in the gaming approval process?"
The role of private
developers:
"Some tribes turn to new players
such as venture capitalists and real estate developers to
finance the gaming approval process."
But what can happen is that private
developers may use this scenario to avoid the state and local
gaming approval process, and other State and local rules. The
IGRA exceptions were most likely not the intention of Congress
to become private developers' business models.
More points to Ponder:
Looking at this strictly as an
"Economic Impact" situation, what I have found so far in
research is this:
1. Unless studies are sponsored by
Gaming-related groups, there is no sufficient evidence for a
positive economic impact.
2. Anderson Economic Group found
some Tribe's numbers to be skewed, where the projections were
actually only half of those promised.
3. Surrounding communities suffered
actual losses.
4. Only a rare type of Demographic
and non-saturated market could have a chance of positive
economic impact. Otherwise, the customers would mostly be
locals; which takes business away from the other
entertainment/restaurant/leisure markets. Also, the casino
customer tends not to actually leave the casino facility to
patronize other local businesses, keeping all profits within the
building.
5. The creation of jobs are minimum
wage. If it is a tribal gaming facility: the jobs would be
filled by (mostly, I believe) the tribal members.
However, everyone would have to do
their own research...creating the most unbiased picture.
Social Impact:
The numbers and stats are there for
anyone to read and research. It's not about a moral judgement;
there are simply figures that tell a tale.
In many situations in life, there
are people who make millions off of human beings' weaknesses.
Some are more socially acceptable than others. Most people are
able to gamble as a viable entertainment source--some people are
not. Some unsatisfactory situations may go hand-in-hand with
certain types of businesses.
What I wish for our City, to the
core of my being, is economic growth in a totally different
direction. I still feel the time is ripe to fight for jobs in
connection with the State's direction. I would bet that our
surrounding communities even feel the same way, and a
collaborative effort could be pursued. What I envision are jobs
that provide living wages, benefits, enhancement of tax base,
and frankly; enhancement of our way of life.
It doesn't just jump in our lap,
however, and I refuse to believe what I'm being told repeatedly
by the Manager, Mayor, and three other council members: That we
can't possibly think of pursuing marketing,
manufacturing, or tech jobs because we need to have trails and a
vibrant downtown first. (?)
But, wouldn't those very types of
jobs be the key partnership with Bay West College to nurture
its growth as well?
Above all, isn't it time
that the residents of this City had a heads-up and a
choice towards their "progress" for a change?
Tina Peterson
5-9-2008-07 I have fixed the link to the January 2008 Archive Forum Posts. I have also created a Casino Information page and will try and gather and keep all information regarding a casino on this page. Webmaster 5-9-2008-06 Although I don't know
whether the investigations referenced by 5-5-2008-02 are real,
exaggerated, or wishful thinking, I do wish that she hadn't
mentioned them, because the mere prospect of intervention by higher
authorities reinforces the central failing of this town's citizenry:
hoping and expecting that other people will discharge their civic
duties for them. 5-9-2008-05 BREAKING NEWS ON PROPOSED CASINO IN IRON MOUNTAIN
Below is PROOF POSITIVE that the Lac Vieux Desert Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians (Watersmeet) applied to the U S Department of Interior requesting 10 acres in the City of Iron Mountain be put into trust status for off-reservation gambling. In all likelihood, they are continuing this pursuit by filing additional information.
Is the Mariucci-Varda plan tied to this somehow? Why is Bacco Construction aggressively seeking to buy land in the same area? Inside information that could skyrocket the value of the land is one obvious possibility.
This story is only one of many that will be unfolding in the very near future that will go a long way toward explaining the desperation of certain local interests to spend large sums of money to legally challenge a rather routine recall. It’s not because they are enamored with the wisdom of Eden Caudell, Dan Burke or Robin Tchokreff. They know that as long as they sit on the council and Marquart is the city manager, they can manipulate events toward huge personal payoffs. Stand by – this is just the beginning of an unfolding story. It will sweep many local individuals and interests into an unwanted limelight. Letter from the United States Department of the Interior 5-9-2008-04 Use your head,
5-7-2008-05. Why would someone make that kind of effort to convince
someone about something on which they already agree? I know that
woman. Her post is a testimonial of someone who, if not a convert,
is mightily fed up with the garbage coming from her own side of the
aisle. Your post is more wishful thinking than knowledge and
perhaps a bit of a fishing expedition, to boot. 5-9-2008-03
A Casino in the Works Stop! Don't tell me there's not something going on.
Seems those outside Iron Mountain know more about this than those in
Iron Mountain. Which, I'd suppose, is exactly how the knowing few
in Iron Mountain want it. I can't wait to investigate this further
and I invite others to pursue it, too. So-called "nonsense that
crazy people are making up about a casino"? Crazy indeed. Marquart,
you piece of dirt. You faked bewilderment and told me and others to
our faces months ago that this was nonsense from out of the blue and
that you knew nothing about it or anything like it, that even the
possibility of it was absurd. You snake. 5-8-2008-03, I salute
you. And am inclined to believe you. And now not so easily dismiss
what you write about Marquart and the possibility of that
investigation. Duck, Iron Mountain! I think we're about to get
clobbered by a P.R. blitz from City Hall, its most ardent
supporters, and its lobbyists. Letter from the United States Department of the Interior 5-9-2008-02 Interesting development, this new talk of a casino. Someone snidely (my opinion) asked for facts, believing either that there are none, or that they are hidden well enough that they cannot be found. Let's look at what little history we do have on it. This is going to be long, folks. If you stay with me, I promise it gets a lot more interesting at the end, after the necessary groundwork is laid. First, excerpts from past posts on this site: 6-17-2007-01 How about an Indian Gambling Casino in Iron Mountain? Yes, it has been and is being discussed behind the scenes. It's planned location is near the Pine Mountain Lodge area, probably in the Iron Mountain city limits, 6-19-2007-01 I've heard about the Indian Casino proposal, too. There is definitely something going on. The attorney for the Indians was a former local attorney. The new owners of Pine Mountain are allegedly involved as well. 8-13-2007-04 A friend of mine recently attended a party with a lot of 'big shots'. The conversation centered around the supposedly fact that an Indian tribe from up north wants to buy Pine Mountain resort and also build a casino. Has anyone heard anything about this? 8-14-2007-02 I have heard, as well, the story of a casino around the Pine Mountain Resort area. I don't know if they want to buy out the resort and expand it into a casino, . . . Landowners in the area have been approached to sell their property, BUT NOT by the city. It's a private group, of which at least one member is an incumbent on the city council. 8-26-2007-04 This is the same scenario that may be played out with the potential Casino and Pine Mountain. Doug Rigoni has been heard to ask about those roads at many Council meetings and push for their "realignment." More Grants to make Marquart look good, more money in Rigoni's pocket? Posts too numerous to cite from November, 2007 - 11-19-2007-03, 11-20-2007-01, 11-21-2007-01, 11-21-2007-03, 11-22-2007-01, 11-24-2007-03, 11-26-2007-01, 11-27-2007-01, 11-27-2007-02, 11-27-2007-03, 11-28-2007-01, 11-30-2007-01, 11-30-2007-02, 11-30-2007-04 Five posts in December, 2007 - 12-2-2007-02, 12-4-2007-01, 12-4-2007-02. 12-5-2007-01, 12-6-2007-02 January, 2008 posts are not accessible. Then there is the new spark of interest in May of this year. If you actually go back and read the posts listed above, you will see that there was a lot of denial that there was any plan at all to have a casino here in Iron Mountain. Some even tried to say it was not even legally possible. Then, you have these selected excerpts from a Daily News story dated Feb.. 22, 2008: Ron Erickson - "There are no plans for a casino." Former State Rep. Dave Anthony - "If property is purchased away from the reservation, the tribal council must specify exactly what it will be used for." Perry Franzoi - "(The township) has never received a request for the purchase of casino property in the township." And, "I don't see anything happening around here." Bruce Orttenburger - "We have no tribal land in our area." And, "I hear lots of stories and I can tell you there is no truth to any of them." John Marquart - "I don't put any faith in rumors. I don't believe anything is going to happen." Joe Stevens - "I've never heard anything concrete. If anything were going to happen, it would have to cross the path of the Dickinson County Board of Commissioners." So, the whole idea was hushed and supposedly laid to rest by that article. All the assurances from all the right people. I am wondering, though, how they can explain the attached letter to the rest of us? This letter is absolute and irrefutable proof that there has been an active pursuit of an Indian casino in Iron Mountain for at least two years! Are we to believe that the tribe submitted paperwork to the Federal government for a casino in Iron Mountain without talking to ANYONE in Iron Mountain and the surrounding area? The behind the back, sneaky underhandedness, and lying strikes again. This sure explains why people with inside information are scrambling to purchase all the land they can possibly get in that area. Oh, and the Indians are free to submit the information needed to continue their pursuit of this casino, in case any of you choose to point out that they were removed from consideration at this time, and try to say it's dead in the water. It's not. Letter from the United States Department of the Interior 5-9-2008-01 I am utterly confused. You question why people are attending the council meetings. I was told, last fall, by a former friend, that I should attend council meetings so that I could see what is going on. So…I have gone to everyone that I can. With all of the press about what is going on at council meetings, doesn’t it make sense that this has awakened the interest of citizens to see first hand how things are being done? Don’t we all, taxpayers and citizens, have a vested interest in the workings of our city and isn’t the council meeting a place to go to learn. Why would teachers of the local school system assign students to attend government meetings if it wasn’t to learn about the process and what is happening? In regards to other postings, I too would like to see some of the evidence documenting the investigation of our City Manager and council members. I have searched online, under every topic imaginable, I have contacted our state representative, state senator, U.S. representative and the Attorney General of Michigan. Hopefully they can shed some light on this for me and I will be willing release any information that they give me. Bacco Construction, Champion Inc., and many other successful business, in this area, have worked hard to get where they are today. Don’t for one minute think that the leaders of these successful businesses have sat back on their duffs and waited for opportunities to fall in their laps because it doesn’t work that way. They are reputable, provide quality work, and are genuinely good people who hire good people in our community to help the economy of Iron Mountain. You know, when I look back on my own personal growth I can see that I at one time was narrowed minded and opinionated about certain things. But I can say that by opening my mind and my heart, I am a person with much better vision and I thank God for the opportunity to be this new me. 5-8-2008-05 After reading and
hearing recent media coverage from the 3 council members up for
recall, I remembered something I had read concerning "progress". I
hope all these council members and their supporters who claim they
want to move forward and forget about the past, will take this to
heart. 5-8-2008-04
RE: 5-6-2008-05
Oh Tina, get a grip, you are
soooooooo dramatic. I don't think it would be like a Sopranos
scene if something suddenly happened to you. Also, those are
pretty major accusations about a casino, where are your
facts from? Could we see them too?
RE: 5-7-2008-01
If you had a business in this
screwed up town, wouldn't you go see what kind of zoo the
council meetings are. It was fine for all of you to watchdog
everyone else, but you can't seem to understand why reasonable
citizens would show up to see what you are doing???? Give me a
break.
As far as a recall goes,
how much is that going to cost me in MY TAX $$$ Don't tell me
it will cost me more if the evil city council goes on for
another year (can't we wait?) HOW MUCH???? CAN ANYONE TELL
ME THAT?
Time to look at all of this
with a little more sanity. Why is there so much b.s. going
on?? Everything is not a conspiracy, and this website makes it
all look that way. It is probably three people sending in
emails....
5-8-2008-03 A
Prophecy: Iron Mountain's Immediate Future 5-8-2008-02 How large does the crater in front of the Northern Michigan bank need to get before someone from the city notices that it is there? I can understand why my street is so bad, they either don’t know it’s there or just don’t care. Or are they just waiting till an asphalt truck hits it and looses part of its load, that way the not only get it fixed free but can fine the poor guy for spilling his load? 5-8-2008-01 If you're opposing the rank materialism, pornography, thuggery, selfishness, dishonesty, lawlessness, abuse, unresponsiveness, immorality and other undesirable elements within the power clique of Iron Mountain's present government and its wealthy, wealth-seeking supporters, there's some consolation and a place to turn for solace and strength. If you try to love the world as God loves the world, you will always be in the middle of trouble. Following God's way is always costly. I can't find anywhere in the Bible or throughout the Church's teachings, however, where it says you should stop. On the contrary. No one said the right way was gonna be the easy way, not even Jesus. In fact, you know what He did say. Re-read the Gospels for comfort, peace, and resolve. Listen to what Jesus tells you. It's not always easy to see, but Jesus is a pragmatist. Just hang on tight and keep the faith. Go into a room alone and pray -- don't be afraid to talk with God about this. Plug away, do what's right and do it for the right reasons. Stay on the right side of this devilish business and you'll be O.K. Yeah, I'm serious. Rely on your faith and what it tells you is good and right. 5-7-2008-06 5-6-2008-05
Singing like a Canary...Please read.
Wow, I'm sure you folks are all proud of your
Mrs. Peterson. What, has it been a few months and she is
already admitting her own ineffectivness and is behaving
like a child by ranting on this site versus as a
professional like you would expect a council member to
behave. Will she be here to whine each time she does not get
her way (maybe need to attend council member training)?
This on top of being unable to control her emotions during
a meeting. A little (ok more than a little) paranoid too.
5-7-2008-05
Those people are attending the
council meeting because they are citizens and they have the
right. No one owns the privelege of deciding who can and can not
come to a public meeting. You don't own your chair or the
podium. You don't own the city. And most of all, you don't own
the right to be outraged at the idea of a group of people trying
to lie, cheat and steal their way into putting personal
interests before anything else. We're all outraged. And as for
the phony, contrived letter pretending to be a friend of Mrs.
Fortier and publishing those emails - it's a lie. It will always
be a lie. You weren't a supporter, you haven't been her friend,
and you weren't suddenly won over by the other side. You are
just a little person using a foolish, obvious tactic to convince
the people who already agree with you. Here's an idea - why
don't you start a pretend website using some elses name - you
could pretend you were gay or liberal or smart.
5-7-2008-04 I don't care what you think, 5-6-2008-04. Or any of you on any side of these issues who regularly overlook or dismiss evidence and fail to understand its real use and power. Frankly, it doesn't matter what you think. It's beyond that. Be as smug and dismissive as you want. Choose, like the sad old men you oppose, not to get up off your rear end and retrieve the evidence yourself. It doesn't matter. Marquart is toast. Maybe not this month, maybe not next month, but relatively soon. Personally, I hope that the authorities don't strike until at least mid-August, so we can get our blows in locally. How burnt he gets will likely depend on what kind of plea bargain he strikes, if any. Nothing is going to change that the end is in sight for him. And no matter what you think, believe, or say is going to change what is going to happen. So deride and protest all you want. You too may as well just sit back and wait for the show to commence like the rest of us. And start protecting your own flank. Who knows what Marquart will say and produce about whom if it's to lessen the degree of punishment on his own hide. 5-7-2008-03 I kind of doubt there is
a three-state Federal and State investigation going on about
Marquart. Sound like a stretch, simply because Marquart himself
isn't that big of a fish. 5-7-2008-02 What IS going on at the council meetings? Why is Ted Corombos at every single meeting? Talk about big money running the city - he's the guy. Why is Don Christy always there - could it be he's protecting some sort of special interest? Why is Bill Toedter and his wife there? And Mike Nicometo dressed up in a suit! Scandalous. What could they be looking for? How mysterious. I certainly can't believe that they are just citizens who are concerned about city government - it has to be some sort of conspiracy. I'm sure they would never attend out of loyalty to any cause or to be supportive of the council - it MUST be a self-serving reason - IT JUST HAS TO BE. After all, this is Iron Mountain the land of giant business interests, frightening conspiracies and big, big money. Watch out everyone. 5-7-2008-01 Why is Bacco president
John Fortier, his wife and his father-in-law now attending city
council meetings regularly when they never did in the past? Bacco
interests, maybe? $400,000 of free water and sewer lines to their
property just south of the Hydraulic Falls Road. Big jobs on the
proposed Mariucci project? Why are they tryng to assemble land all
around it? 5-7-2008-01
TV6 News ran a great story last
night and again this morning, the first of a three part series
called "Trouble on the Mountain." With both sides of the
political issues laid out, it’s almost unbelievable that anyone
could continue to support John Marquart or the three members
facing recall, or even Jeff Vanlaanen. Pooja Lodhia did a
fantastic job of cutting through the political spin and lies and
getting to the heart of the issues. It was nice to finally hear
council members facing recall admitting that the manager is
controversial and has polarized this community. That could not
be a good thing in any sense of the word, in my opinion, so I
wonder how they can keep driving on with their narrow-minded
agenda.
I do have to give John Marquart
some credit for his short comments. He said that he does what
the council tells him to do, whether it be by a 7 - 0 vote or a
4 - 3 vote. I have long held that opinion myself, and that
comment by Mr. Marquart makes it all the more imperative that we
oust Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff in this recall. He did fail
to mention that he carries out their instructions with no regard
for the law, or the people it affects, and without thinking
things through. He also failed to mention that they usually gave
him his marching orders based on exactly what HE told them they
should be doing.
I am eagerly awaiting part 2 of the
series, which should be airing tonight at 6:00 central time.
5-6-2008-08 Tho I'd love to believe it, and tho I could believe it, I'd strongly recommend that everyone discount any talk of Marquart supposedly being under the federal and state investigation until such news breaks publicly or someone produces the evidence from the primary sources -- those being the agencies and departments allegedly going after him. Meanwhile I wouldn't touch that investigation business with a ten-foot fork. If it's true, fine, but there are plenty of other arguments and damning evidence with which to carry on this fight. I suggest we marshall all of that and present it to the voters effectively. And to converts who want to carry on the fight among those we have opposed for the last few years, more power to you, good luck, and thanks. 5-6-2008-07
It amazes me that new reasons to
recall Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff keep piling on even after
the recall petitions have been gathered and filed. John Marquart
continues to be insubordinate to new council members Rosen,
Peterson, and Farragh, and the other four are failing to hold
him accountable. He continues to issue illegal orders to his own
subordinates, and Vanlaanen, Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff fail
to hold him accountable. He continues to show incompetence in
failing to accomplish time-sensitive tasks, and the four still
do not hold him accountable. He continues to disregard city
ordinances, and the four fail to hold him accountable. Marquart
continues to use his office to retaliate against people he
doesn’t like, and they fail to hold him accountable. He
continues to lie about city business, and they continue to look
the other way. Examples of all of the above have occurred within
the last month.
It’s like they are flaunting their
self-perceived indestructibility, daring to have someone hold
them accountable for failing to do their jobs. As an excellent
post said a few weeks ago, when did this sort of behavior become
OK? How can these new plants in the meeting audiences continue
to ignore the facts, and condone such reprehensible behavior?
Do they think the people are that complacent and sheep-like,
that they won't care about lying, bullying, law-breaking, - well
I hate to keep repeating this stuff, but this is all NEW
stuff!! Not exactly in the forgive and forget category. Those
who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, right?
5-6-2008-06 5-6-2008-01: John
Marquart will not tell you about this. Unless he feels compelled to
do so eventually to save his hide. Perhaps he is "negotiating," as
he is wont to say, as he said about the recent MIOSHA fines of
$20,000 his management incurred, with the parties I mentioned. 5-6-2008-05
Singing like a
Canary...Please read.
Last Thursday, May 1st, I called
John Marquart and asked if the Department heads could be allowed
to be at the budget workshop meeting to be held Monday, May 5th
at 3:00. I explained that I wanted all of the council members
to be able to ask questions of them, because we were
making decisions to cut important items in their departments,
including jobs. There were trade-offs to the cuts that may not
actually save money, and the Department heads would be able to
explain, as they know the day-to-day workings of their
departments: personnel, scheduling, equipment, etc. We were not
provided that type of information by the City Manager, and were
only provided his suggestions for cuts two days prior.
Mr. Marquart maintained it was not a
good idea, and that he didn't want it to be their
"bitch sessions and wish lists."
I said that it would not in any way
be that, it was about being able to ask questions; how could we,
as council members, make responsible decisions that impacted
whole departments without being able to ask questions? I felt
that what Mr. Marquart said was extremely disrespectful to the
Chiefs.
He said he would think about it and
I could know the next day.
I did proceed to ask the Police
Chief and Fire Chief if they would be willing to come Monday, so
that if any questions came up we would be able to ask. They
both said yes, they would, and were interested in being able to
answer questions. It seemed like the right thing to do, to ask
their permission to come.
I called Mr. Marquart Monday
afternoon since I hadn't heard back from him, and he told me
that they would not be there. He put it forth that the Chiefs
had concerns about being there. This was not the case, as they
were told it was best if they were not there. Mr. Marquart went
on to tell me that it was past the point in the budget process
that their input should be heard. I tried to tell him that it
was a very simple request, and again that council members should
be able to know long term impacts on departments. There was
nothing I could do or say, and I tried; he would not
allow them to be there and had many reasons that made no sense.
At the budget workshop, Jeff
Vanlaanen said that we only wanted to "interrogate" the Chiefs,
when I brought the subject up about them not being allowed to
attend. He also tried to say that it was somehow against the
Charter, which it is not. Mr. Marquart said that it wasn't
proper for me to ask them. Somehow, along with the usual
residents that have been getting up at Council meetings lately,
there was one who spoke and said that we shouldn't talk
to Department heads, it would only mess things up. Eden said
that we could talk to them individually and report back to the
Council, (lucky us!) which I replied that what if I got the
information wrong? Why couldn't we all just ask at one time?
People, can anyone see this
for what it really is? It is only one in many, many, repeating
situations of being an elected official who is basically
impotent. This City Manager does indeed run the entire
show, the entire City, exactly as he wishes.
Can you understand what it's like to
make your 5th request for an item to be on the Agenda and get
turned down by the Manager yet again? To be continually left in
the dark about most City issues because you won't "play the
game?" To be chastised because you are trying to do your job
and won't rubber stamp everything? To put forth 3 separate
times to your council and Manager; Economic development that
would be in partnership with the State, and actually provide
high paying jobs enhancing our whole commnuity...only to be told
that we need more trails and a better downtown first? Told that
it is impossible? To wonder why you are even sitting in the
chair, because it has all been "worked out" in Marquart's office
or the Moose Jackson previous to the meeting anyway? To know
that certain residents with big pocketbooks are really running
the City, making all of the decisions, and you could be a
cardboard cut-out for all it's worth?
I've asked other municipalities
about what is "normal"...what requests are too far fetched.
Outside of these City limits, no eyelashes would be batted when
asking a logical question. There would be input from all
council members, transparency, cooperation...understanding that
sharing information is essential to making decisions.
But, that is when all council members actually count, I
suppose.
Outside of these City Limits, the
entire Council would care about the repercussions and impact to
taxpayers, departments, and good business sense. Somewhere out
there, people still care about right and wrong; but things have
gone so far here under a sort of unstoppable locomotive of
fabricated reality. It has turned into a situation of "plowing
down" anything or anyone who gets in their way, damn the
consequences. Well, that's progress for you, I guess. I hope
that the end result was well worth the casualties along the way
and the future dessication.
I hope the
Casino that is planned to support
the Convention Center does not tear apart the City, or bring
along with it unsavory elements. I hope that all the players
who are lining up and jockeying for position to capitalize on
inside information regarding land purchases find it was
worth the massacre. I hope the tens of thousands that
are about to be spent on an elite Michigan Lobbying Firm to help
those facing recall will be traced back easily enough. I hope
the higher-up Democratic party affiliates who are supporting
this in the background come to their senses and realize that the
City Manager, and others, are trying to wipe out Union
benefits...that won't look good for their Party....they might
have some explaining to do.
I hope that Iron Mountain
residents take a good, hard look at the direction they want for
their City; and decide if it is Hannahville as opposed to State
partnered manufacturing or Tech jobs. Possibly, they might
prefer the latter, but they will have to get intensely and
quickly involved because the "powers that be" have this all
mapped out for all of us, set in motion, TIFA money
budgeted.....Oh, and a perpetual 4 to 3 vote on everything from
the Budget to DDA members.
I also hope somebody
investigates if anything suspicious ever happens to me...
Good Luck.
Tina Peterson
Iron Mountain City Council Member
5-6-2008-04 To the readers looking for some sort of proof of the allegations against Mr. Marquardt, there isn't any. This site in general is prone to wild accusations and scare tactics, however, this one is beyond belief. Does anyone reading these posts really, really believe that the city manager of our town could be under investigation by three states and a number of government agencies and no city officials would know about it? Who is this mysterious overseer of secret investigations and how does just this one person manage to infiltrate all these government agencies? Really, three different states and no proof whatsoever. Does he have an insider connection to someone in our city hall who would be able to inform him of these frightful issues? If you put some common sense into your thought process, you will realize that none of it is true. Nothing - not a word. It's made up and it's a sad indication of how far people will go to achieve their bitter dreams. Sad old men - all of you. 5-6-2008-03
Can anyone provide supporting
documentation or some other reliable resource to confirm the
allegation made on this site regarding a multi-state and federal
investigation of the City Manager?
5-6-2008-02
Dear Iron Mountain Voters:
I agree with 5-5-2008-02. Beyond
all the noise and disagreeableness of many of the people
supporting and promoting the recall of Dan Burke, Eden Caudell,
and Robin Tchokreff, they have a point and, bottom line, are on
the right side of this issue. Many of us thought this was
obvious when we voted last year. It appears that the remaining
office holders have chosen to adhere strictly to the letter of
the law to serve their own purposes rather than honor the spirit
of the law to serve the city.
It's time to unite with the
recallers on this issue. We must hold these council members
accountable and recall them because they have failed to hold
John Marquart accountable. And John Marquart, through design,
ignorance, and incompetence, has done and continues to do great
and evident damage to Iron Mountain, being his own agent as much
as the single minded deputy and soulless bureaucrat of several
established business interests in town. John Marquart seemed a
good idea at one time. He fooled many of us. He has since
shown his true colors and lack of mettle and his time has
passed. He is not good for Iron Mountain in any capacity, even
for those hypnotized, deluded, and shortsighted business
interests. You can lie about the numbers or deny them, but you
can't change them or the results of them. John Marquart
continues to atrophy Iron Mountain right down to and into the
city's bone and cartilage even as he continues to feast on what
little is left of the city's meat. Only if the whole of Iron
Mountain is fat, though, can those businesses and the others in
town be fat. But bait-and-switch, voodoo economics, and
government propaganda are issues for another day.
Those who agree with and support
city manager John Marquart and former mayor Ken Tousignant
and their circle of collaborators and supporters, many of whom
have been and continue to be my friends, are either purposely or
inadvertently advocating and carrying out an assault on common
decency and high, good values in and around Iron Mountain. It's
that simple. 5-5-2008-02 is right. So is 4-18-2008-04. This
is not only a serious and deteriorating political and economic
problem, it is a moral problem and therefore will affect every
other aspect of our lives.
The obvious ineptness, decline, and
divisiveness are certainly major problems. John Marquart is a
master of dividing people and pitting them against each
other. "Divide and conquer!" This is a principal tool of any
political hack. And anyone who looks at the hard numbers and
trends and believes Iron Mountain is in great shape and heading
for wonderful times is either letting herself be deceived or
deceiving herself. But the most serious problem that stands out
to me is the dishonesty. It infuriates and frustrates me. It's
just like a huge black stain on the sky. How do I explain to my
questioning kids the unending stream of obvious lies by John
Marquart and those working with him? Please! How do I do
that? Marquart and his comrades can publicly say or do one
thing at a meeting or in the media or elsewhere on the official
public record, then turn on a dime and, incredibly, either deny
just as publicly that he and they said it or did it, or state
and do something that is absolutely contradictory to what he and
they first said and did! And for which there is undeniable
proof! They'll put their signatures on whatever is convenient
at the moment! This boggles the mind. About this, 5-5-2008-02
is also right. If you are responsible enough and bright enough
and brave enough to simply look, the evidence of this is
available everywhere.
I think we are stupider than our
children. The emperor's new clothes? What clothes? While we
oo and ah, the kids see right through this malarkey. Which we
have been teaching them to do and hoping and praying that they
do. Then they want to know how we can support and justify
people like John Marquart and his ilk who are doing what we have
taught the kids to be wrong. And do you know what? The kids
are right! They are reflections of our better selves. They
don't buy the bull. If we believe what we teach our kids and if
we want them to believe it too, we can't support the Marquart
party's unrelenting dishonesty. We can't justify what they do.
Led by John Marquart, some of this city's most prominent
politicians and business leaders have been and continue to set a
horrible, horrible example. We succumb to it, support it, or do
not protest it, all of which are further horrible examples. And
we wonder where kids get this junk from? For crying out loud!
They get it from us!
Therefore, like 5-5-2008-02, I will
quietly and privately support, campaign, and vote for the
recall. People have erred and, friends or not, we must hold
them responsible. If we do not draw the line at accountability,
everything falls apart. It's no different than disciplining our
children or holding responsible the leaders in our social and
church lives or our leaders at the state and national levels.
I'm not going to get on a soapbox. At social gatherings no one
will openly know I have changed my mind and I will carry on
routinely and make all the right noises and poo-poo the tactics
and noise of the loud and noisy recallers, etc., etc.,
etc. Privately and individually, however, I will sing a
different song and I will make a difference. So
will 5-5-2008-02. I already know that. And when she, I, and
countless others, twittering our sympathy that Dan and Eden and
Robin have to go through this ordeal while on our way to the
polls, cast our secret vote in August, it will be to recall
Burke and Caudell and Tchokreff and, by extension, fire John
Marquart. If for no other reasons than common moral decency
and our kids, please join me.
5-6-2008-01
I should start this off by saying
that I have been following the website almost since its
inception. I have looked at a lot of documentation to support
many claims made on this website. Like the writer of post
5-5-2008-02, I like to verify things with my own eyes. In the
course of tracking down some of the documentation, I have seen
documentation of other, serious issues that have not even
appeared on this website. In other words, because of all the
documentation out there, I have long thought that John Marquart
has to go, and that ousting three of his supporting council
members last year was a good start. This recall also needs to
move forward, because these three members refuse t | |