IronMountainIssues.org
  Home Page Public Forum  

September 2008 Postings

9-30-2008-03

Misinformation NEVER seem to goes unchallenged on this website.  It's refreshing that so many posters take a serious interest in Iron Mountain city government affairs.
 
As a frequent visitor and rarely a poster, I have learned more on this website than I could possibly know in general conversations with people.  It is the collective knowledge of informed posters that has a way of thrashing things out. 
 
My thanks to all of you serious posters and to the webmaster for the time you all take to keep the dialogue going. 
 
I have much higher hopes for Iron Mountain going forward than I did a year ago.

9-30-2008-02

First off,
I have great respect for firefighters of all types, their courage is great and dedication strong so please do not take this as a knock or diss of firefighters in any way.
Secondly,
To all that feel the SAFER Grant has been lied about. If you really trully want the facts go to WWW.firegrantsupport.com/safer and click on the SAFER faqs 2008 under hiring of firefighters activity. You will see that indeed the SAFER grant only funds FULL-TIME positions. True they can be job shared but they MUST be retained throughout the life of the Grant and if there are not enough "Part-time" people to fill a position one or more (depending on the amount of part-timers) full-time positions awarded would have to be filled FULLTIME in order to retain the grant and avoid having to pay the awarded money back to the federal Gov't. Seeing as I believe we had ONE volunteer the first time, it would go to reason that any awarded positions would be filled with someone full time. Oh, also, the current staffing levels and expenses MUST remain the same (from time of application) during the life of the Grant. So you see, it will not save the City any money it will only ADD to the expense the city incurs. Also, if say one of the firefighters were to retire or leave, that position must be filled, or risk losing the grant and being forced to pay the awarded money back. The Grant further requires that there be assurances that the awarded positions be retained after the life of the grant. The grant has a five year cycle, however, in the fifth year of the grant the city is responsible for the ENTIRE costs of the positions, Also the match the city pays goes from 10 percent the first year raising each year to 80percent of the cost the fourth year  to 100 percent the fifth year. 
By what I have read here, the city, according to definitions found within the SAFER Grant and according to the MIOSHA documents posted here, has 19 Firefighters, 10 fulltime and 9 fire trained police officers. Those costs MUST be included in the grant application and in turn MAINTAINED if the Grant is awarded. Thus, how is the city supposed to even make the 10 percent match much less the full cost in five years.
If there is any question of the IAFF's link to the SAFER Grant just try a search with "IAFF" and "Safer Grant" and do a little reading. There are accusations of "do your research" Well, you see, I have done my research, extensively, thanks to the info on this site and the internet. The Safer Grant will cost the City thousands of dollars it cannot afford.
Breitung and Kingsford will indeed look at something that is better....WHEN IT COMES ALONG! 
As far as the the firefighters living outside the city, that is perfectly within your right.  The entire fire department, I am sure, is good at what they do and courageous and I thank them for that. What I have a problem with is the repeated pounding into us that the city must maintain a fulltime fire department for "fear" of empty lots and lost lives if we have any other type of service. This when half of them don't even live in our city and won't even have to share in the cost of it. When they choose to accept a different level and pay less for their own lives and property!

9-30-2008-01

In response to 9-25-2008-03:

I am a firefighter in the City of Iron Mountain, and I am going to explain my own situation regarding why I don't live in the city limits.  When I began working for the fire department, I was already living in Kingsford.  The reason I chose that home was because it was available within my family when my wife and I were first starting out.  And I do admit that at that time, I, like many residents, was not aware of the cost and response differences between a full-time fire department and a public safety department.  I was not required to move into the City of Iron Mountain - that requirement went away when a former Iron 
Mountain police chief moved out of the city.

My wife and I knew that when we finally built a home, we wanted it to be in the woods (like many people do).  In 2005, when it finally became possible, we looked at the following factors:

1.  There is no forest-adjacent wooded property in Kingsford.
2. There is no forest-adjacent wooded property in Iron Mountain.

Fire protection was not a consideration for me, because there WAS no full and immediate response available from ANY of the departments. (A full response is a bare minimum of 4 men on the scene within 6 minutes maximum).  I HAD no acceptable fire protection options available within the maximum distance allowed for me to live from the city while employed at the fire department.  Prior to the layoffs in Iron Mountain, my family was instructed to call the Iron Mountain Fire Department if there were lives in danger in our home due to a fire, because the IMFD responds to requests in Kingsford and Breitung Township with the full crew, immediately, if lives are in danger. With that option no longer available, we chose to make our new home a 
one-story house, with hard-wired, interconnected smoke detectors, and windows that the children can easily open to escape.

I, my fellow firefighters in Iron Mountain and Breitung Township, and the public safety officers in Kingsford, are all doing the best we can with the manpower and resources that are provided by the people, through their councils and boards.  I hope those governing bodies will continue to examine options that will provide an immediate minimum response to all of us, in spite of the nonsense they hear from people like you.

Oh, and the SAFER grant program does not fund ONLY full-time positions.  You should do more research before you tell people what they should do.

Doug Johnson

9-29-2008-02

To 09-25-2008-03:
 
How dare you "quote" IM firefighters to say things they have not said.
How dare you misrepresent facts so horrifically on reasons for the SAFER Grant.  You are lying, plain and simple.
 
The "Charter Defeat" happened for one reason only:  A dirty Political machine headed up by John Marquart and past Council members who were out for blood, waged a campaign of lies...backed by the usual wads of cash to advertise their mistruths.  Those horrible politicians smeared, slandered, and wrecked careers for the sake of their stubbornness.  Their 2004 "public safety" plan was ill-conceived, ill-managed by the City Manager and council, and saved not one dime.  Instead of ever admitting the truth or changing direction, they simply attacked and smeared the most convenient targets: the employees.  Like lily-livered, yellow-bellied cowards...the administration attacked the workers instead of solving the problem.
 
And STOP with the "beehive" whining. There has been more progress, more accomplished, and more problems solved for our City in the past 9 months than in the last 4 years. Most of the bees that were doing all of the stinging, backstabbing, and lying have left the hive.  Things are actually "humming along now" quite smoothly, despite years of "Marquart messes" that are left to others to be cleaned up.
 
We have a City manager who is honest, works his butt off, and who cares. Imagine that?  Someone you can trust!
 
Are you forgetting, poster 2008-03, that Marquart blew the Centers for Regional Excellence Grant of $25,000? That was supposed to be the reason and push for combining the police and fire departments in the first place.  Also, the reason for hiring a regional code enforcement officer.  Some of the salary already paid for that code enforcement officer was supposed to be covered by the Grant we never received...just like Eden's Mom's money.
 
Are you forgetting that Breiting Township backed out of that Grant, but Marquart and Tousignant put Breiting Township's name on it anyway and announced publicly that they were still involved?  Are you forgetting that CRE payments went to Kingsford and Norway, but we were never reimbursed for that money due to not receiving the Grant?
 
So just cease and desist the slandering of good, decent, honest, hardworking people.  The only crime of the Iron Mountain Fire Department, or any City employees, is that they do not have the ability to be corrupt and slimy like the last administration.  The Charter Defeat was an example of the public not knowing the whole story yet.  Now they do.  The lies and corruption of Marquart and pals came to light, and Iron Mountain residents will not be fooled again by the likes of that group...of which you seem to be a straggler.
 
The fact that our City is headed in the right direction, is in a better place...this doesn't seem to suit you very well.  You seem to need some controversy and if there is none, you will just create it yourself.  It doesn't seem to matter to you who you hurt...just like those others before you.
 
Well, this City has had enough of that and will not tolerate it anymore.

9-29-2008-01

In response to 9-25-2008-03.
First of all, the SAFER grant does indeed cover full-time positions.
That means the position covered by the grant must be filled 24/7 and it can be filled with  part-time employees or  full-time employees. Get it?
 
Secondly, who are you to say that the surrounding communities are not willing to look at something better as far as services are concerned.
Breitung has long response times where the fire dept. is concerned, as do most volunteer fire dept's. The volunteers do an outstanding job but long response times come with all-volunteer dept's, that's just the way it is. Maybe the people wouldn't mind paying a little extra for an immediate response. It's worth looking into. Iron Mtn. would most certainly not be the only benefactor in regionalization, the whole County would.
 
Also, when did anyone ever state that a full-time dept. is the ONLY way to save lives? Full-time fire coverage is simply the most effective way to protect lives and property whether it's with full-time personnel or part-time personnel. An immediate response is critical when fighting fires, any fire fighter will tell you this.
 
Lastly, Public Safety Dept's are not cost effective. Try adding up all the numbers vs. the level of protection you actually receive and you'll find that there are better ways to implement police and fire protection.

9-27-2008-01

While I am in favor of cutting out the "pork" in government spending, I think that before looking at more cuts in rank-and-file personnel, the City should study the value - or lack thereof - of the positions that John Marquart created.  Those positions should be weighed against the value of the positions that have been cut since Marquart arrived, starting with the 4 firefighters who were eliminated.  How many of the jobs that Marquart created are actually in the charter list of the City Manager's responsibilities?  I would venture to say........all of them.  I think the people in this town need someone to put out their house fire, rather than someone to plan out what should go on the vacant lot where their house once stood.

9-25-2008-04

Whether people appreciate the emergency services or not one fact remains.  These people go in when everyone else is running away.

These cheap shot critics remind me of timid and frightened little dogs, trembling behind the couch barking at the big dog ready to hop up in mommy's lap at the first sign of danger.

The Police officers, Sheriffs Deputies, State Police Officers, Firefighters, Volunteer and paid and Public Safety Officers, act of bravery is going to work. They weigh their life, health, and their family's self interest against duty honor and dedication every time they report in.

9-25-2008-03

All this talk about regionalization is great,
Considering that it is all apparently initiated by Iron Mountain speaks volumes. Kingsford citizens are happy with their service and its cost, Breitung is happy with their service and its cost so why would either of them want in on any of this??? Until Iron Mountain straightens out its own mess neither one of them will even look at this. Look at the size of Dickinson County and tell me that if your "regional officers" are in Sagola how long it would take to get to Kingsford? Don't tell me that wouldn't happen because with "Breitung" officers, of which I believe they have two contracted...(.hardly 24-7 coverage to the least), there is significant response time on occasion. So you see its really not that easy to just combine.
    Here's some more numbers:  50% of Iron Mountain's fire staff chooses to have their families protected by "inadequate" fire protection (according to them) by living outside the City of Iron Mountain. So you see who really believes what they are saying, if The City's full time fire department is the ONLY way to save lives why do half of those very same full-time firemen choose to have their families live elsewhere..and had done so BEFORE all this started.  
The SAFER Grant as has been mentioned is nothing more than a ploy to reinstate firemen that the citizens have said they do not want (charter defeat). On the national level it was lobbied for and introduced by none other than the IAFF as a way to gain more members..it only funds FULL-TIME positions.  At what cost to the citizens??  
Regionalization is a viable option, if all entities are on the same page. The current system in Iron Mountain makes it HIGHLY more feasible to combine Iron Mountain and Kingsford (as a start). Because like it or not, Kingsford (and its citizens) finds the Public Safety system to be cost effective and efficient, and the two agencies are in close proximity and the transition, response times, as well as coverage would increase for BOTH cities. The political turmoil in Iron Mountain however, is the major stumbling block to every idea. No one wants to accept this bee hive and they ALL realize that Iron Mountain would be the true benefactor in regionalization. Again, the areas surrounding Iron Mountain are satisfied with the services their communities provide so why would they change?  

9-25-2008-02

I would neither want the policeman's job or the fireman's job.  Every time they go out, they are putting their lives in danger for you and I.  I want a rapid response if I need to call either one of them.  I don't really think we would save all that much money by going county, we would still have to pay the county.  To the police department and fire department, please keep up the good work.  Unless someone has walked in your shoes, they have no idea what you do. 

9-25-2008-01

To: Tiny Tiger,
  I don't know who you are, but please change your call sign. I'm tired of being accused for posts I have NOTHING to do with. For those of you that think it's me, (Wrong), I'm not THAT vain. Thank You, John d.

9-24-2008-05

To Mary Couper,
 
Thank you for your kind and supportive words on policemen and firefighters.  It feels good to be appreciated once in awhile.  Lord knows we haven't had much of that lately!
 
Signed,
An Iron Mountain Firefighter

9-24-2008-04

In regard to post 9-23-2008-03, where they talk about certified firefighters, you did not do your homework very well.  I thought we all learned by now that the word "certified" isn't worth the ink it takes to print it on a certificate. I did some research on what you said about Kingsford Public Safety. First, your numbers are way off. They hide portions of their public safety budget in other items. No, really. Check again.  At least do an apples to apples comparison if you're going to spout numbers! 
 
Second, after checking out this link:
 
 
I think we would do better to stick with separate police and fire.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.
TinyTiger

9-24-2008-03

The idea of exploring various possibilities for regionalization of services, primarily police and/or fire services, should be viewed and posed under one major premise: Can a WIN-WIN situation evolve from such discussions? Comments about cushy-jobs and other demeaning comments have no place here.
 
First of all, is the Dickinson County Board and the Sheriff's Department interested in such a dialogue?
Without such interest, it dies right there.  Let's assume they are open to discussing it.  The entire exercise has to have some early and clear premises.                                                               
 
(1) Iron Mountain would not want lesser service or response time. 
 
(2) The county board and sheriff's department would not want a significant staff increase unless 
      there is something in it for them beyond a break-even deal with more headaches.
 
(3)  Success or failure of the discussions will ultimately depend on whether economies of scale
       are sufficient so that both parties can justify such a move to their constituents. 
 
A turf war is the first obstacle that will likely appear.  Iron Mountain police officers, as the department to be absorbed or extinguished, almost certainly will object, at least initially.  They would have a natural fear of the unknown until details are forthcoming.  I believe it's safe to assume that most, if not all, Iron Mountain police officers would be absorbed and become employees of the sheriff's department.
 
Maybe one or two would not be needed.  With retirements in the two departments, it would not be long before they would be re-employed, or they could be carried on for a year or two and then the newly combined department would not have to replace the first one or two retirees.  That way, nobody gets laid off.  Iron Mountain would have to absorb the cost under that scenario, but some of the cost would come back because of possibly less overtime during that period.
 
The largest ultimate long term savings would come in combining dispatch services, possibly somewhat fewer vehicle purchases, phone bills, paging services, utilities, maintenance, some possible liability insurance savings, etc.  Iron Mountain could eventually rent out the current police area, or make it available, if needed, to the enlarged sheriff department.
 
Health insurance and retirement plan issues would also have to be negotiated and settled. The economies of scale will accrue, if not immediately, certainly in due course.  Both the Iron Mountain City Council and the Dickinson County Board have a duty to their taxpayers, and in the case of the County Board, over 25% of their constituents are from Iron Mountain.
 
More and more communities throughout the country are negotiating cooperative agreements, and the trend is unstoppable out of sheer economic necessity.  In the area of local schools, we have many examples of such combinations over the years.  Back in the mid-1940's, the Breitung Township school district absorbed the Quinessec school district.  The Channing-Sagola School district merged with the Felch area school district to form North Dickinson. Norway merged with Vulcan. In Iron County, they are down to two school districts.  Iron River and Stambaugh combined to form the Wykon (West Iron School district), while the east end of the county combined Amasa, Alpha and Crystal Falls to form the Forest Park School district.  In Iron County local government, Iron River and Stambaugh merged.
 
Yes, it can be done successfully if reasonable people negotiate honestly for the common good. I think the idea is well worth exploring as long as all sides have good intentions at all times, and not try to out-negotiate for self-serving purposes instead of the common good.

9-24-2008-02

I like the idea of a regionalized police force.
The city council has talked about trying to regionalize the fire department so why not law enforcement. The abundance of police in this area would make it worth while to seriously look at. While we're at it let's take a look at sharing services regarding public works also. The city employees have always said they want to do what's best for the city, well it's time to put up or shut up. Let's see who steps up to the plate on this.
The economy is not looking too rosy anytime soon so maybe it's time we quit talking and start taking some action.
As far as the poster wanting to merge fire and police, well I believe that's been tried and it's been a dismal failure.
It makes more sense to me to keep the jobs separate and share services with like departments.

9-24-2008-01

It must be getting close to Election time.
 
Because of anonymous posts that are downright ugly, saying ludicrous things like a policeman's job is "cushy."  I believe those kinds of posts are just meant to stir the same old pots.  It's always good to discuss problem solving, but there is no room for statements like that.
 
Every call that a policeman goes on has the possibility to be life-threatening.  Especially domestic disputes and drug/alcohol involved calls.  Even traffic accidents leave them physically vulnerable. There is nothing "cushy" about not knowing if you will be injured or not make it home.
 
And yes, the same goes for the fire department.  It's so easy for anyone to sit and judge their occupations...until they are in their positions.  It takes a special, courageous, unique individual to put their lives on the line daily for their community.  Usually, the only feedback they get is not praise, but callous comments like the one posted.
 
Policemen also deal with our area youth, and can mean the difference in what type of life our kids will eventually lead.  Policemen and Firemen have images of horrible crimes or accident scenes burned in their heads that they have to live with forever.  Policemen are the ones that have to approach families and tell them a loved one has died...and witness the grief of that family.
 
"Cushy?"  Absolutely not. 
Invaluable? Absolutely.  Communities should honor these departments, not rip them apart or use them as political matter.
 
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson

9-23-2008-05

Just another article. Hope this one works!

9-23-2008-04

I certainly do not agree with the choice of words that the individual in posting 9-23-2008-01 uses. I have never viewed a policeman as having a "cushy job."
I see them as having a life-threatening job that I would not care to have. I am not a personal friend to any of the Iron Mountain 
policemen but I have spoken to them about different concerns on numerous occasions.  I have always found them to be very helpful, respectful, knowledgeable about the law, and professional.
They have always taken the time to listen to my concerns and they have always made me feel like they took an interest in what I had to say. I go to bed at night knowing that if I had to call the Iron Mountain Police Department, they would be at my home in a few minutes. These people are to be respected and thanked, not torn apart!

9-23-2008-03

TO: 9-23-2008-01
You know, that's actually a good idea, Kingsford got rid of both of their departments (police and fire), created a new one, now has MORE sworn police officers than Iron Mountain AND as many if not more CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTERS and their budget is about $1,000,000.00(yes you read that right...1 million dollars) LESS THAN IRON MOUNTAIN'S fire/police budgets. So that is a very good idea, why has no one thought of it?!?!?!?!  

9-23-2008-02

To 9-23-2008-01
 
We may be over staffed with law enforcement officials in our city and county but that is not for me to say. To say that they have "cushy jobs" is a low blow.  These men and women are ready to put themselves in harms way to protect and defend the people of this community.  This is how they are trained and this is their career.  Why not ask the families of our law enforcement officers as well as fire personnel how they feel when their loved ones go to work.  Do they question if they will return home after their shift?  Will they be called to protect or defend you or me and end up injured or killed in the line of duty.  The way things are today makes this more and more possible.   In my job, my duty is to protect my students in any emergency, but I know that I have trained and dedicated professionals who will come to my aid.  I hope you will reconsider your judgement. 
Mary Couper

9-23-2008-01

Has anyone else noticed just how much overkill Iron Mountain has in police protection? What does the City have about 15 cops? Then add in Kingsford, the county cops, and the state cops. We are paying way too much for police protection. Why doesn't the City look at eliminating the cops and using county cops in their place? This seems to be the trend down state. If the City is really looking to move forward, they should look at this issue. This is just one article of many on line that shows how much a city can save by going to county cops. http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/091508/loc_20080915332.shtml
  Of course the city cops are doing everything they can to maintain their "cushy" jobs, but it appears the counties are offering much more for much less. Just a thought!

9-22-2008-01

Can anyone tell me why we'd need to pay for two people to go to the MML conference anyway? Why not just one, if any at all? Our recent mayors act as though we have a 'mayor-strong' government. Our mayor is simply the person that the council selects to head the council meetings and act as the spokes-person to the media. In what other way is the mayor any different, or more privileged, than the other council persons?

9-21-2008-04

On MML (Michigan Municipal League) conferences:
 
They are no different that any other organized group, be it the American Medical Association, the American Bar Association, the American, Dental Association or hundreds of other association.  Mostly, they are a lobbying group, with education a minor, secondary consideration.
 
In lobbying for cities ranging from a couple thousand residents to hundreds of thousands, the MML often finds itself at cross purpose with its own constituents. The needs of communities vary dramatically based on an endless number of variables, including size, location, terrain, transportation, air services, coastal or inland, highway connections, winter snow allowances, and on and on.
 
At conferences, few of these things are covered in any depth.  Conferences are settings where the MML puts on lavish banquets that each participants' local government pays for.  The biggies of the MML rent the most expensive rooms or suites for themselves, paid for by the member cities dues. 
 
The participants, in turn, vary widely in how they act.  Some attend hoping to learn something.  Most look at it as a short vacation, paid for by the taxpayers. More than a few get slobbering
drunk while trying to impress other participants on how well they are running their cities.
 
Can anyone point to any benefit the city of Iron Mountain got from Marquart's attendance at ICMA conferences or MML conferences?  Or for that matter, from the council members who attended MML conferences.  Based on the performance of both the city manager and city council during that miserable era, if they learned anything, it was how to be dismissive of their constituents, lower employee morale drastically, try to break the city treasury and finally - how to get KICKED OUT OF OFFICE.  Marquart and five of the original seven are gone in less than one year's time. 
 
That's progress. It is all attributable to the wise voters of Iron Mountain, and they didn't have to go to MML conferences to gain that wisdom. Common sense and careful observation was all that was needed.

9-21-2008-03

Lets face reality,
 
John Marquart had to go along with those that have already lost office and been recalled.
 
They didn't have to go because of their lack of intelligence or that most of them are not good people. Actually, some of them could have done a very good job on the council had they independently used their skills for the good of the community.
 
I even admit that Marquart himself would have been a good city manager had he applied his intelligence and charisma in an honest and straightforward way, without the lies and distortions and 1/2 truths.
 
Applying that knowledge could have made this community a growing and prosperous town.
 
Unfortunately, he chose the opposite. He chose the deceptive ways of politics and the game most politician play and the council members fell for it!.
 
People on the council must be honest and respect all opinions of it's citizens and then after all opinions are respectively taken into account, tough decision can be made, even if it affects many good people.
 
That is why John had to go, along with his puppets and especially Tousignant.
 
Good people have hopefully learned their lesson that honesty always wins the battle. 
 
Agree or not, that is what all of this is about!

9-21-2008-02

On MML:
 
Let's keep things in perspective on this organization, please.  It takes sides to lobby politically in our State House and Senate.  In the matter of the Renewable Portfolio Standard getting passed, the MML had its heavy hand in slowing things down.  Usually, the MML can say it has a Municipality's best interest at heart, but it still takes the role of lobbyist.
 
We pay thousands each year to be connected with the MML, but would still have to pay an additional $10,000 to have them help us search for a City Manager.
 
The "education" from the MML is what they want us to learn, and at the moment it seems to be heavily geared towards vibrant downtowns.  So we can be "different"...like everyone else....
 
There are many very successful Municipalities who have nothing to do with the MML whatsoever...the MML is not a branch of the Government of the State of Michigan.
 
Education for our Council Members or City Manager can come from many different entities, including self education on a much less expensive level...including networking.  Not every community in Michigan fits into the MML's frame or agenda...we are all unique and cannot blindly follow one set of guidelines for success.  We are not Detroit, Alpena, Traverse City, or Grand Rapids.  In my opinion, part of the problems of the recent past few years are directly related to our City's leaders having tunnel vision towards all things MML, and not recognizing our City's basic needs along the way.
 
Some of the "sessions" at Mackinac Island are presentations from speakers who will talk about how artists and right-brainers are the future of success in Municipalities. There are also more sessions on how to get your downtown vibrant.  Nothing wrong with this, I guess, but why is there not more information taught about Economic Growth that we can sink our teeth into?  Why is there not more taught about the real day to day workings of a local Government?  About Grant-writing, Labor Unions, Infrastructure maintenance, Technology upgrades that improve emergency situations, and exactly HOW to procure manufacturing Companies?  How about classes on how to take care of your natural resources, including Parks and bodies of water? 
 
This is why I bristle when a certain few somehow think that I should be judged solely by an "MML" education.  There is truly so much more about our City to know and learn than through the eyes of one political organization.
 
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson

9-21-2008-01

Response to 9-19-2008-02:
Nothing between the lines, but I have this to say: It is a fact that Marquart and Tousignant did stay on the Island at those much higher rates on our dime. It's because of this website, and people asking questions, and getting fed up with the lies and the arrogance about it that this type of irresponsible action is hopefully a thing of the past.
 
I just love how some people write in and pretend that the real issues that got council members ousted never happened, or imply that we should forget them. And, they come across like I should not recognize these little, positive changes as the changes we, the people, have accomplished, as they condescendingly explain things to me.  I do recognize the changes for what they are, and I rejoice in these small victories, like cheaper rooms for seminars.  Or, actually fixing broken fire hydrants, as another example. 
 
As minor as this issue is compared to others, I firmly believe that we WOULD be looking at $300.00 rooms again if the people hadn't raised an outcry and changed our government.

9-20-2008-02

Well stated; however, as I've said before, if you want the best be ready to pay the salary of the best.  You get what you pay for is a tired old saying, but accurate.  A City the size of Iron Mountain should be paying 70K to 80K per annum for a good City Manager, plus standard perq's and benefits (vehicle, life insurance, etc).  If you offer less, be ready to accept the consequences.  You can attract no amount of worthless schmucks for 50K.

Also, now that you have run Marquart and several City Commissioners out of office, be ready to pay for that also.  I know that many here felt that it needed to be done, but now that its done there is a price to pay and that is the price for generating the publicity necessary to turn the spotlight on problems with recent local government.  "The Best" that you are hopefully looking for, if they are worth their salt, have done their homework on Iron Mountain and may demand more money to step into the hornet's nest.  Are you willing to pay for that?

Bottom line in my opinion?  Step up to the plate and pay the best candidate what they're worth, and then some.  Its the only way to put this in the past; if you get cheap again this will only go on longer.

Oskar

9-18-2008-02

Let's not get into arguments about a new city manager.  Jordan Stanchina can apply along with anyone else who feels qualified. The council is responsible for the appointment after reviewing all applications carefully. Hopefully, they will be much more diligent this time around and not end up with some other city's discard. 
 
We sure don't need another John Marquart. Let the process play out. The city can run indefinitely under the current arrangement, so time is not as important as finding the right person. 
 
I, too, would prefer someone with local roots - all else being equal.  But let's not make it a big political issue, either. Get the best we can.

9-20-2008-01

To 9-19-2008-02: I agree that the MML conference is important to the city. However $300 a not is not acceptable; especially if rooms can be found at a cheaper rate. Yes, the city taxpayers should pay for this trip, but not at inflated rates. I would also expect a written report of meetings attended, not like the past. I would also set a standard rate for travel expenses. If a person goes over the given rate then he/she pays out of pocket. P.S. most cities get government rates if asked for, and do not pay any taxes.

9-19-2008-02

I don't know where to begin so I will begin with the MML Conference that Mr. Vanlaan and Mr. Stanchina are planning to attend.  It was previously stated on this site that the rooms will cost $300.  At the council meeting, Mr. Stanchina reported that they were able to secure rooms in St. Ignace for about half the cost.  As far as them attending the conference in the first place, I feel that it is important unless we believe that we are an autonomous sector in the sea of Michigan.  I am a teacher and am required by the state to get 12 professional development hours every year outside of the school day.  That means that I have to get at least two days of continuing education that enriches my area of teaching each year.  The school is responsible for travel, registration, and lodging, if needed.  This is vital to the education of the students of the district and to me.  I have been teaching for 20 years and if I just sat back and did everything the same way I did 20 years ago, I would be jeopardizing the education and well-being of the students in my classes.  The world is changing rapidly and if we don't improve our knowledge base and network with others we will be the losers.  I know that I am going to be criticized for what I have expressed here because there will be so much reading between the lines. There is nothing between the lines. 
 
Mary Couper

9-19-2008-01

Barb Kramer's attitude reflects the now-discredited thinking of Marquart, Tousignant, Rigoni and Van Laanen and their four stooges.  Get money into the city treasure any way you can.  If we can't raise property taxes, try other angles.  Bump up the water rates way more than necessary to pay off the water bond. Hit 'em with ever increasing sewage fee. Raise all kinds of incidental fees.  Dream up a rental ordinance that will cost way more than the cost of administrating it and throw the extra loot into the general fund. 
 
Ask Barb Kramer if she would vote city-wide extra millage for her proposals for replacement of sidewalks, even though she wouldn't get one. Let's see if she'd jump on that one.  She was actually not asking for more money for the city, but a gross cut back in services (vacating all alleys) and adding costs to select individual homeowners who made the unpardonable mistake of buying a house that happened to have a sidewalk, on city property, adjacent to it. No wonder she was a supporter of Marquart & his cohorts.  She thinks exactly like they did.

9-18-2008-03

Apparently Barbara Kramer doesn't respect the people of Iron Mountain, especially the elderly and the poor who are just trying to survive, by suggesting that we the people be responsible for replacing sidewalks and vacating alleys.  It must be nice to sit up in that new subdivision and snub her nose at the common, decent, hard working people of this community.  I personally replaced my own city side walks at my expense, however, I would certainly never expect my neighbors or the other residents to do so,  especially when times are poor.

GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND GET A LIFE.  VOLUNTEER TO HELP THE POOR AND NEEDY.

9-18-2008-02

Let's not get into arguments about a new city manager.  Jordan Stanchina can apply along with anyone else who feels qualified. The council is responsible for the appointment after reviewing all applications carefully. Hopefully, they will be much more diligent this time around and not end up with some other city's discard. 
 
We sure don't need another John Marquart. Let the process play out. The city can run indefinitely under the current arrangement, so time is not as important as finding the right person. 
 
I, too, would prefer someone with local roots - all else being equal.  But let's not make it a big political issue, either. Get the best we can.

9-18-2008-01

Barb Kramer was quoted in The Daily News on Tuesday where she made some totally unfeasible proposals to save money for the City of Iron Mountain at the Monday meeting.
 
She suggested that residents pay for any sidewalk work needed that is adjacent to their property.  First of all, it's on city property.  I know, I know.  An obscure ordinance require this, but it has never been enforced for good reason. First of all, it's an added expense on homeowners. Second,  who determines exactly when a walk is needed.  Third, all homes do not have a sidewalk in front of them,
including Barb Kramer's.  She's in a newer subdivision where nobody is required to have sidewalks, so this proposal would cost her nothing. A corner house with sidewalks on two sides of the property could be responsible for  over 200 running feet of sidewalk. 
 
She then comes up with the completely impractical idea of vacating all the alleys and letting the people themselves worry about them.  Let me point out to her that if the city vacates the alleys, each home owner adjacent to it would get one half of the vacated alley. Who would plow them so the thousands of garage owners would have access after snowstorms?  Hundred of blocks of alleys are used for garbage collection.  They will not, and should not, go on private property. 
 
Anyone could do anything they wanted with their portion of a vacated alley, including planting a garden, put up a fence, or otherwise impede the use by others, including blocking them from getting to their own garage. 
 
She doesn't have an alley by her house, so she would not have any of the grief or potential cost she is proposing for others.  Fortunately, neither of these nutty ideas will ever see the light of day, so the subsequent riots by thousands of irate citizens will never come to pass.

9-17-2008-04

I totally agree Jordan should be offered the job. Not only would he do a great job, but would save the city some money!!!

9-17-2008-03

Thanks for calling me an idiot.

Dean

9-17-2008-02

So now people think that Jordan is qualified to manage a city? Other than a degree in accounting, some experience as clerk, and a few weeks of sitting in as manager what are his qualifications? He should be “given the opportunity and education…”? Does that mean we’ll pay for him to get the needed education, or what?
 
If his qualifications are enough, then open it up to every citizen with pride in this city. There are hundreds (if not thousands) with at least his amount of education and a whole lot more experience. If we are no longer looking for real management experience, let the rest of the citizenry apply.
 
If this goes through, I’m leaving town, because you are ALL idiots.

9-17-2008-01

I think the City council should stop investing money looking for a new City Manager when an investment in Jordan Stanchina is well worth it.  He has ties and a personal pride in Iron Mountain and should be given the opportunity and education to be our new City Manager.

Dean Lefebvre

9-16-2008-01

Response to 9-13-01:
Thanks for sharing that with us all.  I had also seen a solar hot water heater that looked promising and learned some interesting facts about our "Northern" sun capabilities.  It turns out that February is actually a more powerful month than summer months up here...I never would have thought that.
 
Response to 9-13-02:
Thank you so much for acknowledging my efforts.  This has not been easy for me, especially physically.  I wouldn't be able to attend these informative meetings, demos or seminars without Kevin Pirlot's help.  With my arthritis, I would never be able to drive myself throughout the State.  Kevin also recognizes that this subject needs our City's attention and participation.
 
I have every faith that Bruce Orttenburger is doing his best in this direction.  The EDA has put together an Energy Industry Cluster sub-committee and we will be meeting for the first time on September 22nd.
 
Jordan Stanchina has not ever been to the MML conference on Mackinac Island; this will be his first time.  I am positive that he will bring back all information learned to share with the rest of the council. 
Jordan is doing an outstanding job as interim City Manager.  He is truthful, efficient, highly intelligent, compassionate, and has extreme common sense towards issues and problem solving.  He repeatedly looks at all sides of an issue and is constantly available for any questions.  He has been going in to work an hour early and working through lunch.  He is dedicated to our City.
 
I am relieved that someone of his nature and caliber is in this position.  Even our Council packets show this wonderful change:  Jordan puts a variety of important and relevant information in the "Non-Agenda items."  With Mr. Marquart, it was not like that. Ever.
 
Response to 9-15-02:
On December 26th, 2007 I told Mr. Marquart that the number of hydrants that were broken and low on pressure was unacceptable.  It was risking lives and property.  I asked for them to be fixed.  He responded that we "could not afford to fix them."  I believe that he had other plans for the money in the water fund.  For over 8 months the subject was addressed repeatedly to him and other council members who are no longer here, with not one move towards a solution.
Marquart is now gone, and our interim City Manager is greatly helping this subject to be solved.  There was, and is, money in the water fund for the hydrants.
 
All in all, it feels like we have a chance now to take care of our City's needs responsibly and to also work towards our future and growth.  Under Marquart, and council members who would not act responsibly, we did not have this chance.  We also faced perpetual division before, where now there has been much forward movement and "meeting in the middle."  We are on the right track now and will accomplish so much...as it should be.
 
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson

9-15-2008-02

I have been noticing a flurry of activity lately by the water department around fire hydrants. After checking into it, I found that they are in the process of getting several of the broken hydrants fixed. That's great, a nuts and bolts issue is actually getting taken care of. Thank you, Farragh, Peterson, and Rosen for pushing for something to get done.
 
I have to wonder, what was the reason that they were not fixed last year? Or the year before, or the year before that? Was it the DPW department head not realizing that fire hydrants are kind of important? Was it just Marquart ignoring another big problem? Was it the council not getting the right information from Marquart even though citizens were ranting about it at council meetings?  Remember how they were?  Nothing mattered to them unless it came from the Great Ones' mouth?
 
My God, the more time goes by, the more it's obvious that we did the right thing by getting rid of Tchokreff and Caudell in the recall, and Tousignant, Rigoni, and Jacobs in the last regular election. I regret that Marquart didn't stick around long enough to get fired, like he deserved.  We had better research the connections on who we are electing come November.

9-15-2008-01

RE: Conference Attendance Costs, etc.  
 
The loose and the lame-brained on Iron Mountain City Council would routinely pay all bills presented on the Vendors Report without question. 
 
Sometimes they would announce a meeting somewhere and tell the council they were going to it.
Sometimes they wouldn't.
 
Remember the one day $2,800 private air flight to Lansing.  The plane had six seats, so they stacked it with around three or so people who had no business in Lansing so they could divide the cost by six to justify the per person cost to make it look more economical. Including Eden Caudell who wasn't even on the council at the time.
 
Who on the sitting council was going to object in those days?  This is only one small example of the
the total disregard for taxpayers that Marquart, Tousignant, Rigoni and Van Laanen showed all the time they were there.  Financially, it was a pittance compared to other things they pulled off. It is just another example of their arrogance, self-serving mindset that we lived through during those dark years. Van Laanen can't get it in his head that five of the original seven are now gone.

9-14-2008-01

Any Board that I have ever served on (and there have been several) that any money was to be spent by a member, had to be ok'ed by the Board members. Did that happen in the case of the Mayor going to this meeting?

9-13-2008-02

What are we getting for our money? Council member Tina Peterson, at her own time and expense, has travelled extensively to numerous meetings throughout the state to become knowledgeable about the various energy programs being sponsored by the State of Michigan with the hope of enticing businesses for the local area, be it Iron Mountain, Breitung Township or elsewhere in Dickinson County.  Her maximum pay as a city council member is capped by the City Charter at $500.00 per year.
 
The City of Iron Mountain pays $6,000 a year into the Dickinson Area Partnership.  Bruce Orttenberger is the CEO.  Tina has turned over reams of information to him.  He'd better be working around the clock on this.  I hope he is.  If not, what is Iron Mountain getting for its annual dues.
 
Meanwhile, Mayor Jeff Van Laanen is asking the city council to approve travel expenses, room expenses and food allowance for himself and acting City Manager Jordan Stanchina to attend the annual meeting of the Michigan Municipal League on Mackinac Island.  He stated he wasn't sure what the expenses would be.  Well, he should.  He's been there before, along with Marquart, Tousignant, Stanchina and maybe others in the past.  The rooms alone were $300 a night for each of them, and they stayed at least two and maybe three nights.  What did we taxpayers get for our money?  Don't give me any nonsense about schmoozing with bureaucrats to get grants, either.  No report was ever forthcoming. 
 
John Marquart attended at least three International City Manager Association Conferences at a cost to the city of around $3,000 each.  Not one report was ever given on what we got for our money.
 
Thank you Tina Peterson for your valiant efforts.  Some people talk a good game.  Some people play it.

9-13-2008-01

Check out solar--It works---THINK GREEN have been using solar panels at our lake cottage for more than 10 yrs now and it works...I started with one 60 watt panel and have added 3 more over the years. We are now using 4 panels for a total output of 240 watts, 20 amps 12 volts DC...We had a 400 watt wind generator for a year but the wind was not sufficient enough to continue using it...By using a AC Inverter we are lighting inside and out with compact florescent bulbs,tv, etc...We also use the compact florescent bulbs at home and cut our lighting cost by 60%....Think Green

9-12-2008-01

I did say the mph was not good for Cat 2, but John Sarver himself was the one who told me that if the wind was consistent it might be feasible. He said he had seen Cat 7 areas that had inconsistent wind and would not work, and he had seen Cat 2 areas work.  He emailed a grant application for a feasibility study, but our City is not in a position yet for that...public discussion would need to happen. 
 
As with all subjects in this City, or any other City for that matter;  people need to discuss, debate, weigh the pros and cons, get all of the facts, etc.  For example, I had no idea about the described harm to bats and I will obviously research that.  Also, the initial investment is heavy and would need to be subsidized to be cost effective. I don't know what the numbers are...they keep changing and are dependent on the RPS (Renewable Portfolio Standard) ever getting passed.  It is usually private investors or developers who install, but some municipalities are now taking this on and becoming the "developers."  Lots to think about, lots to learn...but there is nothing wrong with discussing something.  I'd rather discuss it and find out it can't work, than to never consider it at all.
 
What seemed to be missed was the focus on the manufacturing of turbine components.  At this very moment, there are Federal studies completed on which companies in every county in Michigan may be able to transition over to this type of manufacturing.  The Federal government has already put forth the proposed dollar amounts of investment toward this transition. I have also turned this info over to Dickinson Area Partnership, along with a thick listing of every component's specs and pictures.
 
The backlog globally on turbines is anywhere from 2-5 years.  The United States government believes that Michigan is one of the top 4 States to manufacture turbines and will invest in us to do so..including the UP.  Other top states include Texas and Ohio. 
 
I attended the Biomass Demo in Escanaba last night at the UP Tree experiment station (UPTIC).  There is not one single category or solution, but rather a diverse portfolio including wind, solar, biofuels, geothermal, photovoltaic, etc.  Iron Mountain needs to find their place in all of this and capitalize on growing industries.  We would be crazy not to.
 
It is certainly not "bandstanding" to kick around discussions on possibilities of utitlizing alt energy instead of just thinking about the manufacturing part of it.  "Discussion" is how you find out how everyone feels, if something may be feasible, and even facts about impact on wildlife.  No need to be crisp about it, just please keep the input coming because we are all learning together and there is so much to learn. I feel like I heard a novel's worth of information last night, and my old brain is running out of storage space.
 
Again, Escanaba (Delta county) has at least addressed the entire subject by putting together a group of people who are doing exactly what I feel I have been begging for in Iron Mountain:  They are listing their resources in a one-stop-shop format for prospective alt energy manufacturers and will be actively pursuing them.  They will be ready for their opportunities...so could we.
 
The general consensus from many state agencies is that the UP has to fight twice as hard to get attention and funding.  In essence, it is said that we have to "make it happen" for ourselves and not be dependent on downstate to send things our way. 
OK.  Let's do it.
 
By The Way, there is a "Consumer Forum" by the MI Public Service Commission being held at Bay de Noc in Escanaba on October 9th.  It is at 6:00 pm in conference room 952 of the University Center.  It is about Winter utility rates, assistance programs available, status of telephone service, and there will be a MPSC Commissioner there to answer any questions.  It is one out of 7 forums throughout the State, and the only one in the UP.
 
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson

9-10-2008-03

Well at least we are CONSIDERING options but it is clear even from what little I have read Wind energy on Millie Hill or Pine Mtn is quite out of the picture and should warrant no further talk, at least as far as these two areas are concerned. Level 2 is MARGINAL for producing of wind energy OUT of a possible 7. Besides, there is hardly a SECTION (as in plat book section not just a "piece of land") available in these areas to install a sufficient number of turbines to make it even remotely cost effective. But we have begun important talks and discussions. The better option, obviously, is some wood by product facility. Lets keep talking but not about something that is a pipe dream.

9-10-2008-02

I'm not sure wind power is feasible in our area.  Please see attached.
 
 http://www.escanaba.org/electric/windpresentation.pdf
 
 http://www.dailypress.net/page/content.detail/id/503582.html
 
A little research before the bandstanding would be helpful for all.

9-10-2008-01

To Posters 9-8-01 and 9-7-02,
 
Please call me at home or on my cell: 776-1150, (906) 458-8631.  I would love to discuss this topic.
 
According to a Wind resource map for our area, we have category 2 wind in two places:  Pine Mountain and Millie Hill.  Category 2 is not the best mph, but if it is a consistent wind it is feasible.  There are Grants to do a Study to determine this, but as a City we would have to agree on this direction. 
 
There is a "Supply Chain" Seminar in Cleveland on December 8th and 9th, which is a golden opportunity to land a manufacturing company for our area.  Look up AWEA, American Wind Energy Association, and you will see what it entails.  The Michigan Public Service Commission is heavily involved as well as the Michigan Wind Working Group.
 
If you email John Sarver of the MIWWG, you can get on an email list and receive constant information.  He is with the MI Department of Labor and Economic Growth and facilitates the WWG.  You will find this on the Michigan.gov website.
 
Nate,  When I tried to form an Economic Development Committee at the Council level, it was "turned down."  There is no reason that there can't be a committee or group formed of residents earnestly focused on alternative energy.  I was appointed to the Economic Development Alliance, which now has a sub-committee which will hopefully seek alt energy industry.
 
Before that, I had correspondence from a company that was building a $100 million dollar cellulosic ethanol plant in Connecticut.  They had responded to my "solicitation" and they expressed interest to "immediately expand" here in our town.  The CEO was familiar with the UP, and agreed that our area was a good fit for them.  I handed over everything I had to Dickinson Area Partnership, and they are in the process of following up.
 
This may or may not come to fruition...but my point is that we must be ready for such opportunities.
 
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson

9-9-2008-01

Hi - Before you all get too excited about the possibility of windpower in your area, especially on top of Millie Hill, you need to get yourself informed first.  If you really don't expect it to have an impact on the infamous Iron Mountain bat population - think again.   It's been reported several times, in many places - so if you want to make an informed decision, please consider the links below:

 http://www.fort.usgs.gov/BatsWindmills/
 http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/09/08/bats-turbines.html
 http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/104072.html
 http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2008/09/wind-power-ecological-bat-disaster/index.shtml

Unfortunately, it's not such an "ecological friendly" idea, is it!?!   And even more unfortunate, is there is no easy solution to resolve it...   They don't even have to touch the blade to die.!   Rather the air pressure will burst their lungs before they even have any impact...  now isn't that a great way to go?!?   Best wishes to your dilemma.

9-8-2008-01

Regarding alternative energy we (citizens) may want to talk with the representatives of We Energies.  They are providing windpower in areas of Wisconsin and since they are our energy provider they may already have some alternative energy plans for our area.  Mr. Molinare used to be the manager here in Iron Mountain.  He would be a good source for this kind of information.  I have received information about visiting one particular site in Wisconsin where they have just completed a large wind-turbine.

9-7-2008-02

I think Tina's on the right track about alternative energy. I would  like to suggest placing windmills on Millie hill because it is always windy there. Its time we put that wind to work with clean energy.

9-7-2008-01

This site is quite rapidly evolving into a much more thought-provoking one.  I like Nate Alwine's comments and his posts on the work that has been done quietly and systematically on a county-wide bike trails system.
 
I had no idea this was going on.  I know it will be a long and sometimes frustrating process, but I give the group credit for their efforts.
 
I always enjoy Tina Peterson's cogent and well written comments.  Her efforts, essentially on her own, to look into alternative energy projects for this area and the jobs they could bring here is most laudable.  She suggested at a council meeting that a committee be set up, not just of council members, but anyone who could assist and has knowledge of the many details that go into presenting such a proposal to interested parties.  The governor and the state are wholeheartedly behind the alternative energy initiative.  Keep up the good work, Tina.
 
I join others in commending Dave Farragh in pushing for and completing the water reservoir problem that may lead to safe and unchlorinated water.  This project has been talked about for a long time, but it needed a push.  Tina has also been involved to some degree early on, I understand.
 
Dave Farragh also looked into and snuffed out the East A Street water and sewer project that would have cost taxpayers $1,200,000 minimum.  He proposed a solution that will cost $35,000 in materials and the city crews will do the work. Dave also took it upon himself as a private citizen to get state personnel to investigate the bungled reassessment that cost the city $200,000.
 
Bruce Rosen has been working diligently on the fire department issues that had been hanging over our heads for four years without resolution.  He has made great strides and it looks like a resolution is at hand with the full cooperation of fire department personnel. Bruce has also worked diligently in many other areas including TIFA expenditures and a long list of budgetary matters.   
 
The first rental ordinance was so poorly written it ended up in litigation between the city and the landlord's association.  This, too, has finally been resolved after more than two years of attorney costs in the many thousands of dollars be each side.
 
Yes, we are finally seeing some progress.  Congratulations to the new council members who are showing that cooperation is so much better than the continuous confrontation that was the management style we had to live with for four miserable years.
 
Competent, thinking people can be a boon to any city.  It looks like we're finally getting some dedicated council members who are working for the best interests of the taxpayers.  What a breath of fresh air.  Let's hope the upcoming election gets us two more such dedicated members who have no axes to grind and no hidden personal agendas.

9-5-2008-02

Hello--I sent this in the other day but never saw it posted.  I also had one addition, we have been and still are working on a route that parallels US-2.  We have made good strides with the railroad company and DNR on the abandoned railroad grade that will provide a parallel route on US-2 from the Pits up to the Lake Antione Path, Bay College, and the North Loop which connects to Sagola Twp.  We are working on a route that would get us from the Pits to the Walmart area now and from there connecting with the Breitung route.  The routes on the side streets are meant to connect off of this trail to Kingsford's Paths which when complete will connect to Breitung Twp.  We are preparing for work with Breitung Twp to define two paths that follow Breitung Ave.  One that follows Breitung and another that actually utilizes Scenic Drive along the Menominee which will be a dirt trail.  From there we need to tackle challenges like the best crossing of US-141, a route to the new bridge, and the route through Quinnesec and on to Norway.
 
I like Tina's post--and hopefully it sparks some great conversation.  When it comes to Economic development I am definitely on board with looking into alternative energy manufacturing.  Lets get some people together and I will enjoy working with people and investigating what opportunities are right for us.  There is great opportunity in this area.  For or against it, not at least exploring it and fully understanding the pro's and con's would be a waste. 
 
thanks
Nate

9-5-2008-01

Wednesday's Daily News noted that water-tank repairs have been completed, the tank has been flushed, the water has been found to be free of contamination, and chlorination will stop imminently.  Public thanks and congratulations are due to Dave Farragh for spearheading this improvement in our quality of life.

9-4-2008-02

While discussions on a bike path's merits are certainly a part of a City's whole, I would like to put out there that there are many issues that also require discussion.  Some are rather urgent in nature for Iron Mountain at this time.  Others, though not truly urgent, need decided attention.
 
Police and Fire issues:  Should the residents be presented with a "package" of levels of protections including their costs...and be able to decide for themselves which level they want to pay for?  To me, this makes sense.
 
Streets and Alleys:  A comprehensive plan must be started, with priority rated streets getting paved according to an agreed upon schedule.  Residents will have a choice on options for funding this long term project.  Take a look at Escanaba's City website and how they put their plan together.
 
Fire Hydrants:  This matter was brought to the attention of the old administration continuously, was ignored, and was deemed too expensive to fix by our former City Manager.  I say baloney.  Again, a priority rated schedule is appropriate and there was money in the water fund to address this issue.
 
Economic Development:  The only way to truly increase the tax base and provide stable jobs for our area residents.  Our City needs to have plans in place geared towards specific types of Companies:  Information put together in a One-stop-shop format, whether it is for manufacturing, tourism, or retail.
We need to aggressively pursue in the direction the State and Federal Government has already embarked upon, alternative energy manufacturing, or we will be left behind.  The Federal government has already put together studies, county by county, towards taking on turbine manufacturing and the investments they will make.  Are we ready?
 
City Budget:  What do you want your tax dollars to pay for?  What are your priorities?
 
Public Input:  We need to have either a "Town Hall Meeting" where there is the largest chance for public input, or more residents need to attend council meetings and be heard.  There also needs to be another push towards council meetings being aired on TV for those unable to attend, but who have an interest in their local government. 
The committee meetings are seeming to take the bulk of "nuts and bolts" discussion away from regular council meetings, and it does not seem that the public is aware of the times of the committee meetings.
 
City Park:  A huge asset to our City with great potential to be "the" place for families to enjoy various recreational activites.  The natural beauty of City Park needs urgent care and attention, so as to be enjoyed by our children and following generations.
The planning has to start now, if anything can hope to be started upon next Spring.
 
These are only a few of the many, many issues we need to tackle.  It would be nice to see beefy discussions on some of these issues.
 

My two cents on the bike path?  If the goal is to connect Cities, I think someone had it right with something parallel to US2. 

If the goal is to connect bike riders to work and shopping, I don't see how a path to/from City Park is appropriate:  People have been riding their bikes on every street of the West side for decades, and it doesn't make sense to funnel them onto one solitary street while residents give up summer parking.
I think routes/trails for bikers (and pedestrians) in natural areas for pleasure and exercise, and safe routes for transportation along US2 makes sense.
 
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson

9-4-2008-01

The committee for a bike path meets regularly and the time and place of meetings is posted in the Daily News.  All are welcome.  You can learn more about the complete plans there.  It is more extensive than just a marked bike path in Iron Mountain.  Mary Couper

9-3-2008-03

Hello everyone--
 
More on the bike path....
 
Posters 9-3-2008-01 and 9-2-2008-03  you will be happy to know this is a county wide effort, and we are exploring abandoned rail grades.  The path is known as the Dickinson County Bike Path and so far we have been working with communities throughout Dickinson County and so far have experienced positive feedback everywhere but here.  We have made much progress in areas North of Iron Mountain and in Kingsford--but in the case of Kingsford it was because they already had a great plan in place and were already implementing their plans.  Currently we are working on a 72 mile trail that connects most of the communities in Dickinson County and the scenic features.  When it comes to Iron Mountain there are challenges.  We have been working on railbanking railroad grades that are available and have had a lot of cooperation from the DNR in this aspect.  In fact it was the opportunity to railbank a grade that was about to be formally abandoned by the railroad company that lead us to consider finding a link between the railway and one of Kingsford's routes--which is on the other side of City Park on Westwood.
 
Feel free to email me nalwine@norwaymi.com and I can show maps and plans.  There are even bike path meetings the third Tuesday of each month at the library at 6:30pm if anyone wanted to attend.
 
Thanks
Nate

9-3-2008-02

To 8-29-2008-02, From 8-27-2008-02 et. al.

Thank you for the high level of class you continue to show in your responses. I mean that sincerely. I can't seem to get there, through my frustration. I don't know what to think about your statement that you stand firmly behind all of your decisions. If it was a reply to my questioning of supporting council members who were negligent and incompetent, I don't get it. Especially when I am asked to keep an open mind. Does that only work one way?

 
I repeat, and beg you to please contact the people who ran the recall and ask to see proof of the serious claims they made. I'm not talking about simple differences of opinion here. I'm talking about lies, misuse of public funds, negligence in tracking money spent, documented lawbreaking, lawsuits, etc. You can't lie down with dogs and expect to wake up with no fleas. You seem to be a very decent person. Just look. Take a good look at the facts. That's all I'm asking, but it's what I need in order to give my trust after what they did to this city.
 
On another subject, I am appalled that Councilman Burke does not know who is in charge of this city.  I'm referring to the TIFA board, Steve Mariucci, and the disgraceful treatment given to Councilman Rosen.

9-3-2008-01

RE:  Post 9-2-2008-02 by Downstate Tourist Biker
 
This excellent post says it all.  While we do see a few tourist bikers going through Iron Mountain via US-2, it can be a dangerous proposition.
 
My suggestion, and must add I am not a tourist biker or even a biker, is for those interested in a bike path to seek out right-of-ways close to, but not on US-2.  Railroad right-of-ways come to mind, but I don't know if this is feasible or practical.  Besides, dealing with railroads is a long process fraught with delays, but it can be explored.
 
In any case, if we want to be biker friendly, it must be a county-wide effort, not just Iron Mountain. 
In fact, it eventually must be a U. P. wide or state wide effort to be truly successful.  Whether the economic costs will ever pay off is beyond the scope of this post. 
 
Snowmobile trails have become a boon to many communities, so the possibilities should be considered.
It took years to develop the snowmobile, but it was done. 
 
Bike trails can be more expensive if they are to be paved periodically, but they don't have to be groomed regularly, either. 
 
Arguing, or even thinking about, a tiny band-aid solution such a striping a dozen blocks of one or two
two streets to get to city park and creating permanent no-parking zones in front of residences to do so is pure folly.
 
For those who might say we have to start somewhere, I say true enough.  However, if the first suggestion they came up with is any indication of the thought processes being employed, I think we need a new committee made up of people who can at least spell two words correctly, namely  common and sense. 

9-2-2008-02

Why all this hype about a bicycle path to City Park? Of what benefit is a bike path to the park unless there is first a main bike path thru town? Before I can take ANY West-side street from downtown to the park, I must first be able to get to (and through) the downtown.
 
Yes, there are bicycle paths in many areas throughout the Upper Peninsula. I believe the ultimate goal is to make it possible to go from town-to-town. That's what Iron Mountain needs first. Help people to get to your city, and through your city before you worry about attracting anyone to a park that is several blocks off of the thoroughfare. Your main street (US 2) is not wide enough, with the traffic lanes, to allow bicycles to safely get through downtown. If we try to get back a street or two to negotiate our way, the ruts in the roads are treacherous.
 
In my opinion (if anyone cares to hear from a tourist-biker), you have the cart before the horse. Until I can safely get through your city, I couldn't care less about your City Park access.
 
Down-State biker

9-2-2008-01

To: 9-1-2008-01

yes they are volunteers

9-1-2008-02

I am a bicycle rider in the area and have been yelled at more than once, by motorists, to get on the sidewalk.  First of all sidewalks are for pedestrians.  Cyclers are to ride on the streets and highways and are to follow the rules of the rode.  I know that many don't follow those rules but I do. 

You say that you don't believe that a city should designate paths on city streets.  I don't see why not.  Cities larger than Iron Mountain provide bicycle lanes ie:  Chicago, Santa Monica, Huntington Beach, Manhattan Beach, to name a few of the cities I have visited.  There are many more.  A bicycle path on a street doesn't mean that you can't ride on any other streets, but it does draw awareness to the fact that it is likely that you will encounter cyclers in that particular area.  Accidents can happen any where and in any form of transportation.  Education to the rules of cycling and enforcement of these rules is crucial.

Thank you to all who are working on the bike paths.
Mary Couper

9-1-2008-01

Does anyone know who places the flags outside the VA hospital?

I have heard that they are volunteers, but I do not know if that is true.

Whoever it is, I would like to thank them for reminding us of what a wonderful country we live in. They are a beautiful sight as you ride down the street.