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November 2008 Postings 11-30-2008-03
On this Thanksgiving day I want to
thank God for all the blessings of this year and every year of
my life. I want to thank Him for my family and my friends. As I
write this , so many things are running through my head that I
have to be thankful for and I am.
I would like, at this time, to thank
the people who stepped up to the plate to put our city back on
track. They have given a big part of their lives to get us back
on course. I have spoken to each of these people at different
times and I was impressed with their dedication to the positions
we elected them to . THANK YOU.
11-30-2008-02
I have a follow-up question for
11-25-2008-01:
Are you in some way threatening
extortion if the businesses you mentioned are not treated like
ancient kings, with tribute (our tax money) paid to them on a
regular basis? If that is what you are implying, I choose to
keep my mind closed to it.
I mean no offense to those great
businesses, but they did not become successful by getting
handouts from the local government. They don't need it. They are
successful in their own right. In fact, your post is kind of
insulting to them if you look at it that way. What, exactly are
you trying to say, if that's not what I'm supposed to be open
to? With no other information, I can only guess. Do you mean
that any ideas for the community that come from people who work
at those businesses should have more weight than those from
other people? Should I keep guessing?
What in the world are you trying to
tell us, without coming right out and saying it?
And why does it sound like a threat? Maybe you should try
opening your own mind once in awhile.
11-30-2008-01 I have been at Deer Camp. Webmaster 11-26-2008-02 Architect Mark Blomquist gave a pitch
for the YMCA at a city council meeting under the guise of caring for
the community. 11-26-2008-01 If these YMCA people think they can
raise $14,000,000 to built a facility, especially in this economic
down turn, they can raise another couple million and build their own
road. 11-25-2008-01 Qestion???? What would happen to the Iron Mountain/Kingsford communities if Bacco, Champion/Gundlach, Systems, and MJ Electric (to name a few) all decided to lock the doors of their businesses and either move to another area or discontinue business all together? We know the paper industry is struggling. Would Verso be next? To me it would be the beginning of a domino effect. Where would Iron Mountain be then? Hopefully that won't happen, but it could. Let us open our minds. 11-24-2008-01 Let's see if I've got this right. A
group is organized and proposing to build a YMCA facility. They
want to build it somewhere near the hospital. They are talking in
the neighborhood of $13,000,000.00 or $14,000,000.0. 11-23-2008-02 This is in answer to post #
11-21-2008-02 where the writer stated that the bottom line
for the Vendor's Report for August 2007 was $ 701,404.18 and
wondered about the August 2008 report for purposes of comparison.
Actually, he/she was referring to the August 2006 report,
because that's the one that had a total of $ 701,404.18. 11-23-2008-01 Not to nit-pick, 11-21-2008-02, but you quoted the bottom line for August of 2006 - $701,404.18. The bottom line for August, 2007 was $684,536.08. You are right in wondering, though. We have not seen a vendor report posted here for going on a year. I'd like to see August of 2008, too. 11-21-2008-02
After rehashing the August,
2007 vendor report, I would now like to see the vendor report
from August, 2008. I'd like to see how much of a
difference eight months with three new council members made in
the most important line item - the bottom line.
The August, 2007 bottom line was
$701,404.18.
Can someone post that if they have
it? Thanks.
11-21-2008-01 I recently attended a meeting and Ms. Peterson was one of the participants. I have never met her nor have I ever heard her speak. A tad naive perhaps, but sincere. She seems to be dedicated, tough and a quick study. She may have shed a tear or two but she is still standing and her detractors are left muttering in the corner. 11-20-2008-01 Look at line 136 of that August, 2006 vendor report. $8,901.75 in one month for engineering? 11-19-2008-02
RE 11-18-2008-03, Thanks for
correcting me, but the point is still the same.
11-19-2008-01 I believe the newly formed city
council WELCOMES and encourages close scrutiny.
They obviously welcome open dialogue from the audience
because they instituted that policy at their very first
meeting!! 11-18-2008-04 I stand beaten and corrected. Thank
you all. Now I will get back to doing what I do best. My job. God
be with you all. 11-18-2008-03 You've slightly mixed your metaphors. "Once bitten twice shy" and "Fool Me Once Shame On You - Fool Me Twice Shame On Me" 11-18-2008-02
Time for more facts for our intrepid
revisionists out there. The subject this time is council member
travel expenses. Mary Couper wrote in concerned about that. Look
at that conveniently revived vendor report from August of 2006,
found in post 11-12-2008-03. See page two.
On line 120, you will see an entry
that is wrong on more than one level. First, it's lodging
expenses in the amount of $400.00 never approved by
council. Second, it's lodging for sending someone to the
police academy, someone who was not hired under the civil
service rules. Someone who had failed a civil service test
and was hired anyway.
Moving on, see line 141, mileage
reimbursement for the mayor in the amount of $356.00. For
what? Did Mary Couper ask about that one? I think not.
And then, at the bottom of the page,
the credit card breakdown, which includes:
$390.95
for city managers conference expenses
$1,197.00
for attending an MML conference
$195.09
lodging expenses for the mayor
$315.70
for airfare for the city manager
Ironically, and embarrassingly, I
did not even have to submit new documentation to support my
FACTS, as there are so many items of misuse of city money
on that single city document. But, something very
significant is missing. By that I mean there were no complaints
or concerns raised by Mary Couper or her cohorts. I think I have
more reason to feel haunted than you, Ma'am. Your comments are
very disturbing in what they excuse, while they accuse.
11-18-2008-01 All I saw in Ms.Couper's statement was that in order to not POSSIBLY return to the acts of the past we need to be diligent with the current and future acts, just because someone has opposed the wrongdoings of the previous administration doesn't mean we need to let our guard down in controlling the actions of our "leaders" We need to make sure EVERYONE is accountable, BEFORE it gets to the thousands of dollars of waste. The old saying "once bitten shame on you, twice bitten shame on me" applies here. No one said that Tina is looking to rip anyone off, but Tina and the group attacking Ms Couper should welcome the eyes upon them because that it was they wished for. If there is nothing to hide than a little scrutiny and watchful concern should be welcomed, not challenged. It means that people are indeed watching and STILL concerned about the waste. 11-17-2008-03
To 11-14-2008-03 - No, I completely
disagree. You could not be more wrong. This is not simply a
difference of opinion, and never will be, no matter how many
times you try to reduce it to that. You can deny all the
wrongdoing that went on for four years all you want. The facts
are not going to go away just because you ignore them.
Quite frankly, I see right
through your transparent attempts at revisionist history, and I
am not alone. Good luck with that, with so many people watching
now.
11-17-2008-02 To Mary Couper and all of those who
can't wrap their heads around the truth about Marquart and past
council members' misdeeds: 11-17-2008-01 Note to Mary Cooper 11-14-2008-03 It's not revisionist - it's simply your opinion. And calling someone a sociopath? Are you a licensed professional or just a gigantic know-it-all? Just because you think it and then spew it out on a website will never make it true and it won't make it false either. It's opinions - that's all it will ever be. Some people think things were better under another administration - you can't change that. You are filling yourself up with the opinions of people who agree with you because that's mostly what is entered on this website. Go into the community at large. There are all kinds of thoughts and opinions about all of this. People voted both ways and the vast majority of people NEVER VOTED AT ALL. Public discourse (minus the childish name-calling) is a good thing. Let it happen and stop being so fearful of anyone disagreeing with you. Be a bigger person. 11-14-2008-02 When it comes to nitpickers, it's
tough to beat Mary Couper. Of all the major problems the city has
going forward, she's worried about an action that was taken legally
and openly by the city council to allow some expenses for one
council member to take in a conference. 11-14-2008-01 Well, we're almost there. The first
meeting of the new full seven member city council is coming up on
Monday. 11-13-2008-02
I also attended the meeting Ms.
Couper referred to. I wouldn't exactly say that Mrs. Peterson
received carte blanche to attend the conference in Cleveland.
She offered to pay her own transportation costs and only asked
for reimbursement for the $129 room for two nights,
significantly lower than what was spent by prior officials.
Mrs. Peterson also gave an informed description of the purpose
of this conference and had checked to see if this was a
worthwhile event for her to attend in an effort to learn and
network to bring jobs to our area and was assured it would be
beneficial to those ends. Why did Ms. Couper never question
anything when former city officials were wastefully and freely
spending for continuous and useless gatherings.
11-13-2008-01
Response to Mary Couper's post of
November 10th regarding the Nov. 3rd council meeting.
You ask why Ms. Peterson was not
grilled like VanLaanen was about her attendance to a conference,
it's simple really.
VanLaanen has a history of being
frivolous and careless with taxpayer money when it comes to
attending these conferences so he needs to be reminded that
these trips are not lavish vacations for him and his cronies on
our dime.
Ms. Peterson on the other hand knows
full well her responsibility as a representative of the citizens
and can be trusted to keep costs down whenever possible.
She is a responsible adult and doesn't need to be reminded of
her moral and ethical obligations to this city.
Unfortunately, this same thing can't
be said of certain past and present council members.
Hope that clears it up a bit for ya.
11-12-2008-06 I don't think "law-breaking" needs an explanation, but apparently some people think "sociopath" is just name-calling. It's not, it really does apply.
so-ci-o-path
–noun - Psychiatry.
a person, as a psychopathic
personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a
sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
11-12-2008-05 I get it Dale. I was questioning why
the carte blanche? 11-12-2008-04 To Mary Couper - Haunts you? HAUNTS you? Please! Give me a break! Where were you when the ousted bunch were doing wrong for real? You got come nerve, lady. Haunts you. That's rich. I'd laugh derisively in your face if I could. I'll just have to be satisfied with being incredulous at your hypocrisy for now. How dare you write something so asinine. You couldn't possibly be so ignorant of the past at this point. 11-12-2008-03
Mary Couper. You still don't get it,
or do you? You are wondering about Ms Peterson going to a
conference? I have been posting on this website since it first
started up. There is a big difference between your posts and
mine. If I was concerned about something the city council or
manager was doing, I would find the facts, then send in a post
with documentation.
Just to be clear here - what you are
doing is criticizing someone when no wrongdoing has occurred. I
find that juvenile, petty, and counter-productive.
Let me give you an example of how I
have used this website to point out questionable activity by our
city government:
With no legal contract ever
awarded for the reassessment of the city, I asked why there were
five separate entities on the August, 2006 vendor report,
getting paid for reassessment of the City, and I included the
vendor report as an attachment, just as I have here. Further, I
questioned why Rich Brook, the city assessor, a city employee,
was getting paid in the vendor report as a vendor providing
services to the city?
Do you see the difference? I think
I'm going to rehash a lot of the big issues in future posts,
along with the documentation, just in case you and a few others
think you can get away with rewriting the last four years of
city history by making snide comments without backing them up
with documentation of wrongdoing. Signing your name - at least
in your case - does not add to your credibility. Don't you care
that the people who were ousted let so many documented
bad things happen? After all that has happened in our little
town, you are the worst kind of hypocrite to attempt to do what
you are doing here.
11-12-2008-02 Correction: The meeting of November 3. I know that someone will jump on me for this. Mary Couper 11-12-2008-01
Response to 11-10-2008-01
You either don't know the depth of the misdeeds of the past four years, or you know but refuse to acknowledge it. That is the deciding factor in what people are saying, and have been saying for quite some time now. There are reasons that people fought tooth and nail against the council of the last four years. I think the ousted members were arrogant, lying, bullying, incompetent, etc., etc., and most other names they have been called. Now, I don't mean that each member was all of those terms, but each had their own serious flaws. The most serious flaw anyone had was not seeing through Marquart, and refusing to even with proof of his misdeeds. Or seeing it and condoning it because the end results were being achieved. That's unforgivable.
I really don't care if you don't
like those terms or not. I don't care if they are politically
correct or not. What matters to me is that I believe it to be
true. Wholeheartedly. And I believe Marquart was a sociopath,
too. And I think it's great that Mrs. Jacobs does carry on. And
I do believe that you are full of sour grapes. You can gussy it
up all you want, but there it is. Give it a rest. Let's heal,
but never forget how bad it can be. And it was very bad. Sorry,
but I'm not into revisionist history.
11-10-2008-02 I attended the city council meeting
on Monday, November 10, and left with a question that continues to
haunt me. Tina Peterson was given a carte blanche ok to attend a
conference in Cleveland, Ohio, no questions asked. I go back to a
similar situation where Mr. VanLannen and Mr. Stanchina were grilled
regarding their plans to attend an MML conference. To alleviate
some of the cost, they looked for less expensive lodging and were
told that they must return with a report on the experience. Why was
she given full approval even though she didn't ask for anything but
lodging? I know that she will come back with something but that is
not the point I am trying to make. 11-10-2008-01 Again, it's not sour grapes and it's not a case of just giving up. I'll always be involved in some sort of volunteerism. It just won't be aimed toward the government of the city of Iron Mountain. And you couldn't be more correct in the statement that the voters made this choice. They did. While I haven't resorted to using terms like "law breaking sociopaths", that usage brings home my point. Just like everything that happened 20 years ago wasn't right or wrong, everything that happened in the last four years wasn't all right or all wrong. The constant use of "gang of four" and other divisive name-calling helps no one. And to use Mrs. Jacobs as your example of how nice it is to keep going after being threatened and called names, nice touch on your part. And attending meetings as a method to undermine every effort being made doesn't make you a good loser or a team player. Constant accusations about people lining their pockets, as though there's some kind of fortune to be made makes a ridiculous statement. The most recent house fire in a rental property with a missing bearing wall shows once again that rental ordinances are good and most importantly, NORMAL. Towns have them. Cities have them, but not Iron Mountain without a gigantic fight that used up valuable time and energy. I'm not saying the current people won't work hard but will they work as hard as they did to fight against the council when it was run by people they didn't vote for? You set the stage for this. Don't be mad at me because I'm moving on. 11-9-2008-01 Good, sensible, and well-written
comments are now appearing regularly on this site. It is very
difficult for anyone to rationally defend the former city manager
and the former administration. There is a reason for that. 11-8-2008-02 In reply to 11-6-2008-02: I take
issue with a couple of the things you said: 11-8-2008-01
To 11-6-2008-02: Sour grapes. Sore
losership. That's what I see in your post. You talk of control
and change, when you cannot seem to grasp that loss of control
of the city's direction by your "faction" is so unbearable to
you that you felt compelled to write and tell us, basically,
that you are taking your ball and going home.. Very
hypocritical, in my opinion.
In contrast with your letter,
a couple of days ago, I saw Sally Jacobs on a downtown street
corner, helping with decorations for the city. I can't think of
anyone who has more right to feel what you said in your post
than Sally, yet, there she was, still helping out, with a smile
on her face. I never thought I would be praising her, but,
in comparison to your attitude, my hat is off to Sally Jacobs
for her continued unsung contributions to our city. Thank you,
Sally, from someone you'd never expect it from. You could take a
lesson from that, whoever you are.
Dale Alessandrini was the same way
throughout the entire past four years, continuing to do things
for the city while enduring endless character assassination from
those in power who did not like him pointing out their official
gaffs. Thanks for not giving up, Dale.
If that's how you truly feel, not
having the grace to accept change unless it's YOUR changes, then
perhaps we are better off without you.
11-7-2008-02 There was another cheap shot by
11-06-2008-02 posted on this site. If the writer has been here 20
years, he/she doesn't know what it was like around here when Mr.
Corombos was mayor. It's been around 20 years ago that he left the
city council before returning now. 11-7-2008-01 11-6-2008-02 I am a long time resident of this area and have been working and volunteering here for more than 20 years. I obviously can't state my name because of the nature of this website but I am not one of the people who normally write in and I'm not pretending to be someone other than who I am. I just have to say that once before I gave up trying to make a difference in this town and it happened because of the viewpoint of people who were used to having the status quo never be disturbed. I'm not talking about radical crazy ideas - I'm talking about improving our community and our neighborhoods. I've always noticed that anyone who puts themselves out in the public eye in this area has to be brave because there's so little spirit of cooperation. It seems to be all about control and keeping everything the same. I was encouraged to rejoin the effort to bring some new ideas and new business and even new residents to Iron Mountain. It wasn't for personal gain which is the constant accusation of what I see written here - as though someone is making a fortune from trying to encourage growth in this little community. If this was done for monetary gain, it would end up being a pretty poor investment. So, changes were made - some were controversial - but some should have been an easy sell. Trying to maintain healthy neighborhoods and good rental properties doesn't seem like a bad idea. Apparently it was. The name calling on this site is immature and childish and apparently never ending. The foolish references to the people who worked on behalf of the city make you all sound silly and you may not agree with everything but the truth is, you were all just angry that someone else had the nerve to try to run things. You barely know the people you're talking about. And now, everything is back to the status quo. Good for you, Mr. Corombos. I've watched you operate for many years and now you have the city back to where it was a long time ago. Have at it. I'm finished and it's not that I think any of you care because short-sightedness appears to be a strong point. It's the idea that you don't even know what you're missing. You don't realize that you throw out so many people who have something to give back but can't because they don't fit your mold. It's a shame but on the bright side, you win. Congratulations. 11-6-2008-01 Wow. I just listened to the audio of
that meeting in the link provided by 11-5-2008-02. I can't believe
that the voters of the 11-5-2008-02
Just a heads up to those that are
interested. The following is the link to the I.M. council
special meeting of Oct. 28th. Check out what Burke has to say at
the 27:56 mark. This guy has no business representing the
citizens of this city.
11-5-2008-01 Congratulations to 1st Ward winner
Dale Alessandrini and 2nd Ward winner Ted Corombos. 11-3-2008-01 Election day is upon us. Any of the
five candidates running for two seats is an improvement over those
two who were recalled. 11-2-2008-01
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