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May 2008 Postings 5-31-2008-01
Re: 5-29-2008-02
With regard to the pothole/paving
vs. retirement/insurance benefits funding it should be noted
that local units of government in our area seem to be capable of
managing both items concurrently as has historically been the
case in Iron Mountain.
With regard to Crystal Lake, why not
look back to the 1950's when a large scale storm water
separation project resulted in the placement of a 48" discharge
pipe into Crystal Lake. If the past, current and projected
condition of Crystal Lake is of real interest, the study
conducted by the City's engineering consultant in the 1990's
(previously referenced in this site) will be most helpful.
5-30-2008-03
5-30-2008-02 5-30-2008-01 Why have
the residents of Iron Mountain, over 8,000 of them, been totally
ignored for the last four years? It's because special interests
have taken over city government and drive all available money to
their own interests. 5-29-2008-02 Has anyone looked into the cost of repaving our streets so that the potholes are gone? Would it cost as much as we taxpayers are paying for retirement and insurance benefits for the city employees? Maybe that should be looked into before we jump those who are trying help out the taxpayers. All I read on this site is all of the past mistakes that the council has made. If we are going to do that, then why not look back to the 90s when the city decided that Crystal Lake was just a holding pond and they could re-route polluted run off water from our streets into that lake. If you have had an oil leak, dumped any kind of beverage in the street (other then water), washed you car in the street, etc. you have contributed to the demise of that natural lake. I for one am looking forward to seeing our tax base increased. I have a vision but it starts on the ground floor with investments the Steve Mariucci is making. Tina talks about all the industry that we could bring here but don’t for a minute believe that they will not want tax abatements, exemptions, and resident’s pockets to foot the bill. 5-29-2008-01 Eden Caudell opposed
taking a chunk of TIFA money and spending $400,000 of it for
repaving roads would be setting a dangerous precedent. 5-27-2008-02
The listing on the
IM web site lists it as a Special Meeting Budget Hearing and
describes it as a '2008-2009 Budget Hearing.' If this is truely
a Budget Hearing IE: a public hearing where the
proposed budget comes before the council and public for comment,
then the public gets to speak before the the budget comes up for
a vote for approval.
I've seen councils
have workshops on the budget and then have a public hearing on
the budget before approval.
5-27-2008-01 Watch the city council,
by a 4-3 vote, accept the proposed budget. The gang of 4 will agree
to subsidize the Mariucci-Varda to the tune of millions while
practically nothing is budgeted for the horrible streets that we
have been living with during the entire period of Marquart's term as
city manager. 5-26-2008-01 There is a photo in the Daily News of the seven young men who have been hired by the city to work this summer under the public works crew. The photo shows them cutting grass at the cemetery. I realize that our youth needs summer employment, but why aren't we utilizing the work crews at the jail when it comes to things such as cutting grass? Is it possible that many of the youth who have been found guilty of underage drinking, driving without insurance, selling liquor to minors, etc. could be utilized by our city? I do not know what the students' hourly wage is, but if it is about $8 an hour, that means that the seven workers get a total of $56 an hour. If they work 6 hour days for 5 days a week, that comes to $1680 a week. If they work for 10 weeks, the city just spent $16,800! I am guessing that they probably work more than 10 weeks and they may be getting more than $8 hours a week. 5-25-2008-02 I have attended several graduation parties this past weekend and noticed a disturbing topic of conversation. The Iron Mountain Events Center was the topic. I found it very disturbing that there are some citizens of Iron Mountain that think we should foot the bill for this project. Don't get me wrong I think its a great project. I just don't think the tax payers should have to pay for it. If I go to a bank and ask for a loan, the first thing the bank is going to ask me is how much of my own money, or a down payment am I making. How much of Mr. Mariucci and Mr. Varda's money are they investing? See if they can use tax payer money and not use their own money they win if the business succeeds and they win if the business fails. The part I hate as a taxpayer in the City of Iron Mountain is if the business fails. Then we as taxpayers will have gotten screwed. I would also hear that this business is going to be very successful. The operators of the Premier Center did great. Not so, the Cahee's worked very hard for 15 years and walked away with nothing. Mr. Varda collected rent for 15 years and sold it and skipped down the road. The financials of this project just don't add up and make sense unless you give the project a huge advantage. It would be like giving one team a 21 point lead before the kick off and then say good luck and play hard to the other team. Well, I'm on the other team and I like to compete, if the rules are fair. I just hope the City Council will invest half as much much money into my business as they want to into this events project. I am going to stand in line and hold my breath. So if you see a blue faced guy around town you'll know its me. 5-25-2008-01 REMEMBER:
There is a Special Meeting of the City Council on Tuesday,
May 27 for the purpose of voting on the budget for the coming year. 5-22-2008-01
5-21-2008-02,
I never said that any facts must be
overlooked, I never said that wrong doings and manipulations
should be forgotten. I merely asked a simple question. One that
to this date has only one reply, alternative energy field, by
Tina Peterson.
The wrongdoings and improper
behavior were never asked to be forgotten, steps in a planning
process were never asked to be skipped. I agree, city services
are a necessity, but beyond that, beyond "fixing what is wrong"
I want to know what ideas people have to set Iron Mountain apart
once these are "fixed".
Please stop being so personnally
attacked and reading more into it than there is. See my question
for what is: A simple request for ideas.
5-21-2008-06
5-21-2004-05 In response to 5-21-2008-04. I would have to say the writer hits the nail squarely on the head. Having been on both sides of the issue, as an employee and then a employer, I have to agree that the areas wages do benefit the local employers considerably. Having a thriving local economy benefits the majority of the areas citizens. Unless you count used car lots or motel rooms ours has been stagnant for a long long time. Luring new business to the area needs to be a full time proposition, something our local Representatives, both city and county, have been very lax in doing. 5-21-2008-04 In response to Tina
Peterson's post # 5-20-2008-01, I think what needs to be added is
why there was, and still is, so much opposition to bringing in
outside manufacturing companies or any other meaningful enterprise
to Iron Mountain/Dickinson County. Why is it "impossible" to do as
one of her fellow council members termed it? Why is it a bad idea?
5-20-2008-03
To: 5-19-2008-03, Please see
line 3 of 5-17-2008-01's post.
(Even worse, he plans to spend TIFA from over $3,000,000 to under $8,000. Bacco would get a free $500,000 water and sewer project to to their property in Breitung township.) 5-20-2008-02
To the writer of 05-19-2008-02
If you do not mean to do so why do
you continue to do it. I am perfectly knowledgeable of strategic
planning and understand it. As a college educated professional I
am well aware that you can't put the cart before the horse so to
speak.
So again, the people out there and
the people here MUST have some thoughts in their head what will
make Iron Mountain better. That's all I am asking for. I
desperately want to throw my support somewhere. But all the
"ideas" seem to be coming from one side. Right or wrong these
ideas are the only thing we have to go on. The "challenger"
opposition has done nothing but spit venom and not provided me
or any other taxpayer a viable idea that we can say "Yeah!
that's a great idea I like what you are thinking! lets see where
they take it". Tina Peterson FINALLY has an idea, alternative
energy, what an excellent IDEA to improve the community and
earth as well. Lets see what everyone else out there can bring
to the table!
5-20-2008-01
Last Night's Council Meeting:
In defense of Steve Mariucci, I
don't think he is aware of the financial predicament the City is
in. I also don't think he is aware of the amounts of money that
have been promised to the development. If I was to go by his
sincere and reactive expressions alone, I would say that he
truly just wishes to put up the Events Center and also has no
idea of the extra additions that certain "planners" have been
putting together.
When trying to communicate to him
what our true financial situation is, I was soundly cut off.
And I mean cut off.
Last Thursday, Matt Johnson called
me back. He is the Governor's representative for the Upper
Peninsula. He left a message saying that he would be happy to
talk to me about a Alternative Energy manufacturing facility in
our area (I know that this is no guarantee), and would be in our
area in the next week or so. He said that he would set up a
meeting with me. I did what I thought was proper, and called
Bruce Orttenburger at Dickinson Area Partnership. I wanted to
gather physical data about our area to be able to present, along
with many other things, a solid case of why we would be able to
sustain such a facility.
Bruce Orttenburger talked about a
fuel cell company that had wanted 100 acres previously. I
thought we had a good discussion. He mentioned at the end that
he would call Matt Johnson's office, and he did that afternoon.
I asked Bruce O. last night, after the council meeting, if he
had any acreage information for me that I had asked for, and he
said that Matt Johnson was going to refer him to someone else.
It felt like things were taken out of my hands, in a way, but if
they progress that is all that matters. I'm not
letting it go by any means.
As I have said, there are four basic
categories in Alternative Energy: Wind Power, Solar energy,
Biofuels-biomass, and fuel Cells. I had been investigating and
pushing the hardest for the manufacturing of wind turbine
components, as there has been a two year demand/back-log in
production globally. The blades themselves did not seem
appropriate due to their massive size, but our area has a
fabricating and welding nitch already towards the rest of the
turbine essentials.
On Biofuels, there is Fiber
Ethanol: Instead of just wood fiber, things have progressed
where any fiber material such as switch
grasses, wood chips, mown grass, tree limbs, and waste corn
stalks can be converted to fuel. It's called Cellulosic
Ethanol, and there was a Plant built in Georgia by Range Fuels.
The big thing is that it contains 16 times more energy than
to create it; compared to fossil fuel being 5 and sugar
based ethanol being only 1.3. You are probably already aware of
the Wood Fiber, or "Black Liquor" facility in Escanaba.
I have also had correspondence from
John Sarver, DLEG, who facilitates the Michigan Wind Working
Group. He has been kind and helpful with information and Grant
possibilities. We have two areas that could produce power, and
the money may be available to do a wind study and beyond. It's
all about the consistency of the wind.
There are also possibilities with
NextEnergy, a type of informative "matchmaker" for the state and
Companies looking to set up shop.
Most of all, there is the undeniable
movement of our State, and the rest of the Country towards this
direction. At the moment, there are State and Federal monies
available to help communities achieve the goal of becoming
involved. There is $50 million going to the research,
development, and commercialization of alternative and renewable
energy in this State. There are incentives for Companies, and
the 21st Century Jobs fund. The largest investments of the
United States and Europe in 2007 were in Alternative Energy, and
the markets are projected to quadruple by the year 2016. It's
good business sense.
But you have to go get it...you have
to fight and lobby hard for it. According to Matt Johnson's
Secretary, there is so much interest from communities to become
involved, the Governor was creating a Task Force. She also said
that the monies were going to become less available; used up, so
to speak.
Last night, much to the horror of my
fellow council members I think, I asked Steve Mariucci if he
would consider a joint effort towards this. I asked him if he
would at least discuss this possibility, this type of economic
development and eventual partnership with the College. He did
not seem to hesitate and said he would be open to it. There are
actual curriculum standards in Alternative Energy from
Certificates to Associate Degrees and beyond.
I have to listen to Eden chastise me
constantly for "not thinking big" and being negative because I
am not as fond of a conference center or casino...then,
ironically she tells me that a manufacturing facility is
"impossible." It's also very frustrating to be told repeatedly
that we can't have a Tech or manufacturing facility until we
have trails and a vibrant downtown first.
These things are beyond annoying. But, if I have to watch all of
our TIFA money go away without even a chance towards
jobs that could meaningfully support families well into the
future, there will be Hell to pay.
For posting on this website, really
my only way of communicating besides a "letter to the editor";
there will no doubt be some follow up post trying to rip
apart what I have said by calling it whining, long winded, etc.
That is just what they do to try and discredit things when my
words make too much sense. Don't pay it any heed, I certainly
don't.
I encourage everyone to get online
and do more research on what I have written. Check it out for
yourselves and see if it may be where you want to head. It's
still our community and we still have some say in what happens
to it. I answer to you, the residents, not to 3 or 4 council
members and the City Manager.
Sincerely,
Tina Peterson
5-19-2008-03 To 5-19-2008-01 5-19-2008-02 A response to 5-16-2008-03 I don’t mean to talk down to you. Honestly. But, I don't know how many times things must be patiently explained to you. If you don’t see that your question has been answered several times already, it means you really don’t understand what a legitimate planning process is all about at this level. A strategic plan leads you to what your logical long-term and short-term goals should be. We are not talking about pet ideas. The planning process doesn’t start out with, "I have a bright parking lot idea!" That’s not planning at all. We are talking about the survival of the City as the highest priority. It's unforgivable that the past council has played with pet ideas while they ignored any real planning for the heart and soul of the City, as well as the finances they raided for their pipe dreams like it was candy. Finances that were needed, direly, for the real meat and potatoes of the City. If you would take the time to research and acknowledge just how badly this past council and manager have destroyed the City’s funds, you would understand that we need to clean house on the old council and manager if we are ever going to get anywhere. And, you would see just how badly a real, honest strategic planning process is needed, in part because of their wasteful spending, along with stupid ideas implemented with no research whatsoever, which never accounted for a bankrupt future that is fast becoming the present, and in more ways than just financially. No offense, because you are probably not a council member, but you appear to know as little about legitimate strategic planning as Burke, Caudell, Tchokreff, and Vanlaanen. 5-19-2008-01
Can Iron Mountain TIFA funds
be legally spent in Breitung Township?
5-17-2008-01 If you want to see a
disaster right before your eyes, go get a copy of the proposed
budget at city hall. 5-16-2008-07 In response to the 5-15-2008-03 comment.....downtown may not be worth it, but my family and neighbors certainly are. I am certain you feel the same way. Be careful what you suggest. Time is the first factor in fighting a fire. Ask any trained fire fighter for the facts. Don't be misinformed by council members or the city manager. 5-16-2008-06
Reply to Post 5-15-2008-03
The
fire department does not serve only the downtown area, but the
whole city of Iron Mountain. Are you saying that your home
AND LIFE are not worth saving either?
5-16-2008-05 A few comments in response to 5-15-2008-04. In general, and mostly in principle I agree with most of your comments. Regarding your number two comment about influencing the flow of money, it may be infrequent, but not infrequent enough in Iron Mountain. It is happening, and has been happening more so in the last four years than before. That creates a problem when it gets as blatant as it appears right now.
You may be surprised that I wholeheartedly agree (in principle) with your point four, about the hypothetical lumber loader who can lay down the law to people who make three times as much money as he or she does. Ditto for holding that high-paid government official accountable. I assume we are talking about the same person here. What is wrong here in Iron Mountain is that the laying down the law and the holding accountable is not happening. It is actually going the other way - allowing irresponsibility, law-breaking, lying, intimidation, frivolous spending, yada, yada, yada, to go unchecked, even when it is pointed out to him, referenced with documentation. When elected officials act this way, we have the ability to recall them. It is the only way we really have to hold them accountable if they won’t do the job right. On that short comment about the fire department and the downtown, I disagree on both points. We do have a valuable downtown. Even if it was not, I still consider my family to be worth saving. I think you may have been kidding with your comment, but I think the fire department is more valuable than you may think. Most people with a preconceived outlook refuse to be convinced until they actually, truly, direly need police or fire. Then they all become converts, where reason couldn't do it for them. 5-16-2008-04
Regarding Terese Fortier and her
rah-rah attitude about Monday's upcoming meeting and
presentation:
I understand completely and clearly
how the Izzo-Mariucci complex over at the high school is an
example of giving back to the community.
I don't understand at all how the
proposed Varda-Mariucci project is giving back to the
community. The association is a stretch. It looks to me like
just another new business enterprise, and on the surface a
questionable one to boot, but that it's trading on a famous
local name and trying to take advantage of the city and the
city's treasury to make the project viable. I'm not against a
businessperson taking the risk to start a business
and succeeding or failing accordingly, but why should the city
underwrite that businessperson and his associates, not only
taking the risk for them, but sweetening the pot? They stand
to make all of the profit if the enterprise succeeds, the city
stands to take all of the loss if they fail. And the only ones
assured of gaining something are the involved local realtors and
contractors promoting the project and receiving the profitable
commissions and contracts from the city whether the project
ultimately succeeds or fails.
Uh-uh. That's not right. Any way
you present it, that's not giving back to the community. That's
not how the system is supposed to work, friends, no matter how
hugely you smile and cheerlead and say Be positive! Be positive!
Be positive!
Positive for whom?
5-16-2008-03
Well,
I still have yet to see any ideas
out of anyone here. So I guess I need to clarify my request for
the "uberintelligent problem solvers" responding to my request.
I am not disingenuous or ignoring what is written, I am not
stupid either.
Let me start with this: Webster
defines idea, in part, as "something existing in the
mind,actually or potentially,as a result of mental activity,such
as thought,image,or conception"
So, for example one might say " I
have an idea that to improve Iron Mountain we need more
recreational fields" or " My idea to improve Iron Mountain would
be to diversify our employer base to insulate the local jobs
from market trends"
A plan would be " In order to
provide more recreational fields, we intend to log off City park
and install more soccer fields, baseball fields and football
fields"
or
"A way to diversify our employer
base is to bring in technology, tourism and high tech
manufacturing by providing quality employees, tax breaks and
economic incentives on property, facilities and investment"
So you see, at least in my mind(and
I am sure others), we are not looking for "plans" We are looking
for ideas, as defined above. Please stop talking down to
me(which you so loathe from others) and answer my question. What
are your ideas on improving Iron Mountain?
5-16-2008-02 Post 5-15-2008-04, the
former Iron resident who has been involved in local government where
he/she now resides, gave a clear, cogent analysis of how local
governments tend to operate generally in most localities.
That description was also true in Iron Mountain until four years
ago. 5-16-2008-01 To 5-15-2008-03: In 1887, the City of Iron Mountain had a volunteer fire department. The City Council treated them poorly: bad-mouthing them to the press and in public, refusing to buy even the most basic equipment. In other words, treating them like Marquart and the fab four have treated the current employees. The result? In 1888 they had no volunteers left, and had to start a paid department in order to get a response to fires. 120 years later, we still have a paid department, and the City still treats its employees poorly. Do some research - watch the news. Watch the stories of fires in places with volunteer and "public safety" departments. You will notice that nearly every fire story includes the words "fully involved upon arrival". There's a reason for that. Every community gets what it pays for (with the exception of communities with public safety, who get less than they pay for). 5-15-2008-04 5-13-2008-03
I am just Ms. Average citizen in
Iron Mountain. Like most us trying to deal with rising costs.
If you are against, for or undecided about the recall and you
honestly have no agenda, please tell me why would anyone pay
thousands of dollars to retain a Council position in Iron
Mountain. If you are really being honest, how does the means
justify the end, for a $500 a year position? Just a little food
for thought for those of you who think like I do.
The short answer to your question is thus: I perceive that you allude to the potential for someone to accept $500 in pay so that they may further their own, or their company's agenda's, e.g. Bacco. This may be true for a small majority of council members (past or present); however, based upon many years of experience with local government (not in Iron Mountain), I can assure you that most local representative candidates are willing to spend more than the salary for the following reasons: 1. They honestly care for the welfare and future of their locality more than they care for their own personal finances. This is normally not the case by my observation, although I believe this is the case with regard to the three new members here, particularly Tina. 2. They want to be on the commission so that they can influence the flow of money. This happens, though not as frequently as some conspiracy theorists on this board would like to believe. 3. They want to be on the commission because they are former public employees who are looking out for their own welfare, i.e. retirement packages, etc. Enough said, and don't vote for them. 4. They want to be on the commission because it gives them an opportunity to exert influence they are not able to influence in their normal professional lives. This, in my observation, is the most common factor in explaining why a guy who loads lumber on a truck everyday for minimum wage would be willing to pay several thousand dollars for a seat which pays $500 per year. And I don't have a problem with that either. He gets reamed by his boss on a daily basis and then has the satisfaction of laying down the law to three dozen local government people who make three times as much as he does? That's local government. It's healthy. It's what was meant to be, and in a word, it's acquiring power over those who would deem to be your masters, when in reality it's the lumber loader who should be the master of the City Manager, and in reality, he is. Government of the people by people by the people for the people. Abraham Lincoln said that. The fact that the City Manager has to answer to a lumber loader two times a month at commission meetings is completely natural and healthy, and it's what our founding father's intended. Think about that; a lumber loader has the ability to hold someone who makes three times his salary accountable for handling public funds raised through taxes! That's unique to the United States! So you go on with your recall revolution, and remember that whoever you put in there, be they a lumber loader or a doctor, is accountable to the taxpayers. And good luck; as I've said before, I miss my home town and hope to come back to a good situation someday! O 5-15-2008-03 The city of Iron Mountain should go to a volunteer / paid on call fire department....... there is nothing downtown worth saving anyway. 5-15-2008-02 Excuse me, post 5-13-2008-06, but you are asking what the plan is from the new council members? It’s mighty convenient of you to disregard the fact that Jeff Vanlaanen was elected four years ago and we are still waiting to hear what his plan is. He even had the gall to say that he has a plan, but it’s too controversial for us common folk to hear. It’s been over a decade since Tchokreff was first elected and we have yet to hear what his plan is. It’s been two years since Caudell and Burke were elected and we still have not heard what their plan is. So, why are you ignoring that and dissing on the new members, even after you have heard that their plan has steps that are already being followed, or at least they are attempting to do that despite strong opposition from those who never told us what their plan involves? The "alleged" plans over the past four years have nearly ruined this City in more ways than one, including financially and safety-wise. Why are you ignoring that? Why are you ignoring the facts and documentation? Without knowing what the secret plan has been in the past four years, and going strictly by what has occurred in that time, the only reasonable assumption is (deep breath) the last four year’s plan has been to actively and aggressively seek to destroy our City in as many ways as possible, while lining the pockets of a select few with corporate welfare, and keeping the citizens in the dark through lying, misdirection, misinformation, intimidation, and retaliation if someone stumbled onto it on their own and had the nerve to ask about it in an open forum, e.g., a council meeting. I don’t like that plan. 5-15-2008-01
Dear Readers:
I find myself again, in the interets
of the publics trust, speaking out.
To the writer of Post 5-14-2008-01
It is clearly obvious that you don't
understand how to do what was suggested by the poster of
5-13-2008-06. In any planning process (for those of you who
don't know what a planning process is....... it generally
results in a plan you may not have known ahead of time) there
are steps involved which will lead to a resulting plan. The
process outlined by the poster does not require a plan
before hand! The process outlined leads to a plan. Get
it. First the process........ results...... a plan. The new
council people are suggesting that we strategically plan for
Iron Mountains problems. I think that about sums it up. And that
reason alone should be sufficient for a complete sweep of the
old council people in the upcoming recall election. Its all
about the publics trust. And I'm afraid it doesn't require
"thinking out of the box"........and its probably not
"vibrant"..........gag
The entire problem in a nut shell
for Iron Mountain is there has, at least since John Marquart
arrived, never been a credible planning effort put forth for the
City as a whole. Pet projects and immediate hot spots get dealt
with in a "Fly by the seat of the pants" manner. I attended the
last strategic planning session that the City had. It was
conducted well by the person putting on the session however the
City Manager basically has not used the tools and techniques
presented to come up with a viable plan. Iron Mountains manager
has not made decisions based on sound logic. What are the
biggest problems facing the city? They should all be listed in
the strategic plan. How do we intend to deal with the problems
the City is facing? It should list in the strategic plan what we
are currently doing, what we are doing in the short term, and
what we are doing over the length of the plan. If it is not in
the plan....... WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING IT! If
it is not in the plan, wouldn't this tend to indicate no
planning? As an obvious insider on this whole issue I can tell
you there is not now, nor has there ever been a plan created for
dealing with the Police/Fire issue. Not a peep in the strategic
plan. Can you imagine that? Even today. No plan. If you don't
believe me request the plan from the City. Those who fail to
plan are doomed to fail. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor
Performance. Isn't there a problem here? Why aren't the 4
incumbents enraged over just this one issue? The Police and Fire
Departments both provide critical services. Isn't the fact that
peoples property is lost in fire and to crime, that injuries
occur, that the Cities employees might get injured, that
civilians might die due to a delayed response enough of a reason
to at least sit down and plan? There was a process that came
about from the lawsuit that the Fire Department Union won which
directed that the City Manager meet with the Police and Fire
Department members during the tenure of their last contract to
talk about making something work. That didn't happen. It didn't
happen because the manager basically ignored requests to meet.
Gee we failed to plan..... and our plan didn't work..... wait
that's right we didn't have a plan...... how about this......"We
have more Police/Firemen then ever!".......Come
on...............there is one thing that would help improve
things in Iron Mountain........ replace the old manager with a
new manager with different characteristic managing skills. The
sooner the Council realizes that the better off we will be. A
new manager will calm the waters. It doesn't have to change
anyone's position on any of the issues. All it needs to do is
result in having someone better suited for the particularly
delicate situation Iron Mountain is in right now. John Marquart
is a certain type of manager, we don't need him anymore.......
in fact he has become as a previous poster said........
polarizing...........
Back to the planning
process............I suggest a strategic plan with a new manager
involved....... then follow the steps outlined by the poster of
5-13-2008-06. Iron Mountains problems will be addressed. It
might still be difficult for us. Change positive or negative is
never an easy thing. But we are not currently following any
credible overall plan for the City and that in a nutshell is
going to be our fall if we don't fix it soon. And that is what
the incumbents are guilty of allowing.
5-14-2008-02 Dear 5-14-2008-01:Are you being dense or disingenuous or not paying attention or what? Go to item 5-12-2008-06 which includes item 11-19-2007-04. Three items of the type for which you ask: the hiring of a new, effective, and accomplished city manager; the review and consolidation of the duties, jobs, and responsibilities of the city's administrative staff members, including the elimination of the unnecessary positions; and the organization and establishment of an effective and aggressive economic development department, to serve the hands-on practical purposes delineated in 11-19-2007-04, including the hiring of an experienced and accomplished economic development director. Those three specific and entirely realistic, pragmatic steps would be a wonderful, tangible, demonstrable start. Where is the sidestepping and avoidance there? We will submit more items soon, here and elsewhere, and elaborate on them as time, space, and resources allow. Former Mayor Tousignant always used to wax philosophic about his bright, flowery vision -- but never showed it to us. Only schmalty bits and pieces. And four years of material and economic deterioration. The same sketchy nonsense is occurring now. Our vision is simple: high standard of living, high quality of life. For the greatest number of citizens of Iron Mountain. As soon as possible. Positive, practical progress as inexpensively as possible. And by actively going after, instead of propagandizing and futilely dreaming about, the economic development necessary to bring that vision to fruition and insure the survival and growth of our city and our area. What eludes you about that, friend? What about that doesn't include specific ideas and thoughts that you request? Are you just being contentious for the sake of being contentious or do you really not see? 5-14-2008-01
RE: 5-13-2008-06
Your plan is all well and good, we
the citizens are not as stupid as you care to think, It is
OBVIOUSLY not realistic to jump ahead in your problem solving.
The question, which you are so adept at sidestepping and so
adamant about avoiding is " WHAT ARE YOUR IDEAS FOR A "REALISTIC
PLAN" There has to be something..you can't just show up to step
three and say "O.K., now what???" or maybe in your "plan" you
don't really have anything other than step 1 and step 2. All we
are asking for is what your ideas are, we are not expecting them
implemented immediately. Please stop the avoidance and give us
some ideas, or thoughts, anything.
5-13-2008-08 To the writer of post 5-13-2008-04, you do a grave injustice to the three new council members and their supporters. This is not, nor has it ever been about the tiny voice that shouts loudest, and I believe you already know that. This is about real, serious, and documented issues that the three facing recall either ignored, botched, or passed off as unimportant. Rigoni, Tousignant, and Jacobs all made those mistakes, albeit with even more arrogance, and look what happened to them. I believe a reminder is in order. The city reassessment - badly botched, $200,000.00 spent with nothing to show for it, the hiring of a convicted identity theft felon, the resignation/firing of the city assessor, etc. 200 grand is a hard one to forgive and forget. This one cost us a lot of money. The fire department - jobs cut, serious understaffing, unfair labor practices costing tens of thousands of dollars, illegal suspensions in the dire department, failure of the city manager to assure proper training of the police, patrolmen losing their union affiliation, $23,000.00 in safety fines due to ignoring the original abatement orders, hiding those fines from the public for two months. This one cost us a lot of money. ISO - tied directly to the totally inept plan for fire protection, property insurance likely to rise because we still have no guarantee of enough firemen showing up to legally fight fires. This one may cost us a lot of money. Police officer early retirement - the city failed to comply with mandated procedures, acted without a required and voted on legal opinion, results of this action damages the legally mandated pension system. $87,000.00 pissed away and ignored. This one cost us a lot of future money. Rental ordinance - Unconstitutional as written, as found by the court system, cost the citizens thousands of dollars to fight for something that could have been worked out amicably if the manager and then-Mayor Tousignant had any negotiating skills. This one cost us a lot of money. Police certification - without approval, and without going through proper procedure, and outside of State Act 78, a potential police officer candidate was sent to police school, paid for by the city of Iron Mountain. This one cost us a lot of money, and the potential for much, much more if this type of practice is allowed to continue. Sewer backup and water main break - Do I really have to lay it out again? Khoury property - illegally spending over $800,000.00 of TIFA money on a project that is not in the plan. This is illegal. Not amending the plan, the potential for much, much more money being spent on this project that has never been properly approved, or legally amended in the plan. This one cost us a lot of money. Centers for regional excellence grant - applied for grant, then manager improperly attempted to use the money for something else. End result, we lost the grant due to incompetence, but not before a council members mother was illegally hired and paid by the city for work on the non-existent "regional excellence" project. Marquart bonuses - Two years running, amid huge public outcry over his lying and demonstrated incompetence, these people voted to give Marquart bonuses instead of firing him. That is totally unacceptable. These are just a few of the many badly botched and huge issues we are dealing with. So, no, this was NEVER about bringing a few groupies to the meeting and seeing who can make the most noise. The noise had to be made if this madness was ever going to stop. How dare you ignore what really happened, and what caused it to happen, poster #5-13-2008-04? You are well-versed at misinformation and misdirection, I'll give you that. This city is headed for ruin thanks to Marquart and the four who are still under his spell. The voters did not decide based on who was making the most noise at the meetings. THEY VOTED BASED ON WHAT THE NOISE WAS ALL ABOUT. That is a world of difference to what Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff’s friends are doing at council meetings now. You see, if you are going to complain, back it up with documentation that what you are complaining about hurt the City. Not misinformation. Not ignoring the real issues. That’s what worked, not groupies. And, surprise, the votes were not as dumb as you thought they were, and evidently still think they are. Stop the Lies. Stop the law-breaking. End the madness. Vote YES in August in your respective wards. 5-13-2008-07 To 5-09/08/04 My name's not Sweetheart but go ahead and use that term. It fits in with the antiquated approach. Cronies, big shots, dupes - it's all "them" against you. Nothing's been done to you. You're all moaning about people who provide jobs and take chances to be in business for themselves. That's what the "big shots" are. That's why they have what you imagine must be "big money." It's not a secret. It's called entrepreneurship. Where would all these people work in an area like ours if not for small businesses. It's hard work and a lot of grief. Give it a try. 5-13-2008-06 Step 1: Identify the Problem. The City Manager is wasting tax payer money. Most citizens of Iron Mountain realize this. Step 2: Solve the Problem. Get rid of the City Manager. We are in the process of doing this. Step 3: Create a City government that operates within the law and the financial reality of this city. Create a realistic plan. Step 4: Implement Plan. Step 5: Receive feedback from the general public on if the plan is working. Step 6: Start over on step 1. As you can see, in any simple problem solving model, there are steps to solve a problem. We are currently on Step 2. The writer of post 5-13-2008-04 has obviously never solved a problem. He or she wants to know what step 3 is. Its hard to move on to step 3 when you haven't finished with step 2. The opposition to the recall wants to bog down step 2, that way we will never get to step 3. Its that simple!!! 5-13-2008-05 Inasmuch as faith in
purported federal and/or state investigations of Marquart et al
persists on this site (cf 5-13-2008-01), it apparently is necessary
to clarify the goals and urgency of the recall movement. 5-13-2008-04
The three challengers plan went like
this:
Stack the city council with your
"groupies" : family members, retired former employees and vocal
old-timer politicians and make your voice appear larger than it
actually is "shout" loud enough and your message will be bound
to be heard.
How is a group of supporters for the
other side any different than the tactics of the challengers?
Please,Please tell me just
how(ok,after you fix the wrongs of the past)you plan to move
forward and what your ideas are...I have heard ENOUGH about how
you are going to fix the past. TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
DO AFTER YOU FIX IT!!!!!
5-13-2008-03
I am just Ms. Average citizen in
Iron Mountain. Like most us trying to deal with rising costs.
If you are against, for or undecided about the recall and you
honestly have no agenda, please tell me why would anyone pay
thousands of dollars to retain a Council position in Iron
Mountain. If you are really being honest, how does the means
justify the end, for a $500 a year position? Just a little food
for thought for those of you who think like I do.
5-13-2008-02 In spite of what Mr. Marquart keeps telling the media, it is he making all the crooked moves. He gets to place the blame on the council (and rightly so) because they approve everything. In fact, I'm surprised the remaining four still back Marquart after the reports that make it clear that he places ALL responsibility on them; making himself look like some innocent pawn in their plans. Poster # 5-12-2008-03 wants to know the newer council members plans for the future of the city, instead of what has gone wrong in the past. How can this city move forward until the those past wrongs are rectified? How can they make plans for anything while the city is sinking in debt and all of the funds that once existed to maintain and replace have been robbed? How can they present a plan until they have a competent manager to work with? No big company moves forward without a competent CEO. How can they present anything when they are being lied to, just like the rest of us? Until we get a new manager in place and repair what has been destroyed, there can be no true progress. The past wrongs are not behind us. They are still with us; with many of them on-going. Unfortunately, growth is the least of our worries right now. We need to get the basics back on tract before looking ahead. Look at our roads. Look at our equipment. Sure we all want advancement and jobs and growth; but we need to be practical and take care of what already exists first. Marquart and his cohorts have failed to do this. Personally, I see the vision of the newly elected council members. They want to get us back to being functional as a city. They want to get us a manager that works for ALL of the citizens, not a select few; and who uses our tax dollars to provide for every one of us, not just the downtown and the elite. I don't care about downtown festivals and pretty lighting while the streets I drive on are in such deplorable condition. A council cannot bring jobs to a city. They can only work at providing a functional city that attracts business to locate here. Marquart wants to use tax dollars to pay for private business and industry. We need our tax dollars being spent on services for all of the people. Whether it be through this recall attempt or the next regular election, the people want a change in council members and they want Marquart gone. Sometimes re-organization is necessary before there can be new vision and direction. It's been said before, and I support it: I am for anyone who wants John Marquart gone and against anyone who supports him. I don't know any of the council people personally (the old or the new); but I have experienced enough of Mr. Marquart to know that I want him out of here! If the older council members want him to stay, then I don't want them as my representatives. I lived in this city through many managers and more councils than I can count. If these past several years are considered progress, you can keep it. I've never seen our city in such a mess! 5-13-2008-01 The four incumbent
members, the City Manager and their financial backers have a very
simple model. 5-12-2008-08
"Love for Sale" 5-12-2008-07 Post 5-12-2008-03 wrote: Please provide us, the citizens, YOUR ideas for future growth and development in Iron Mountain. Very well, here are ten of my ideas on change and moving forward in a positive way. 1. All lying, fibbing, stretching the truth, misinformation, misleading, or whatever else you want to call lying by city officials, elected or appointed, shall cease immediately. Documentation of the facts shall rule the day, and the present practice of attacking the messenger shall no longer be tolerated. 2. In the course of City business, the City Charter, and all existing city ordinances shall, from this point forward, be followed by everyone, including the city manager. Favors for "friends" shall no longer be justification to bend or break the rules. Violations shall be prosecuted or reversed, whichever has the greater benefit to the people of the City. 3. Likewise with number two, State and Federal laws shall henceforth be obeyed, even when they get in the way of what the City wants to do. 4. City business, especially in dealing with issues which might be controversial, shall be conducted in an open and honest fashion. All information on given issues shall be available for the public to consider, not just the select bits and pieces John Marquart wants known. 5. Citizens who have the courage to attend public meetings and voice their opinions shall be treated with dignity and respect. 6. Any and all retaliatory measures taken against citizens, council members, or city employees who disagree with John Marquart shall cease and desist as a method of controlling and intimidating said citizens, council members, and employees. 7. City financial coffers shall no longer be raided for the personal gain of council members or family or friends of council members. This includes TIFA 8. City employees shall no longer be treated as second-class citizens. 9. Henceforth, incompetence, lying, bullying, lawbreaking, disrespectful attitude, and retaliatory practices shall no longer be rewarded with bonuses, but, rather, with termination. 10. From this point forward, the citizens of this City shall have a right to have their concerns addressed fully, honestly, openly, and without character assassination for asking. Likewise, citizens who point out lawbreaking, bullying, harassment, incompetence, and the like shall not be persecuted for bringing the truth to light. This would be a good start. 5-12-2008-06 Regarding 5-12-2008-03: The Positive ApproachIn late November 2007 a small private civic group, with members of all types from all fields of endeavor from here and many other parts of North America now living here and of which I'm a part, tried to do exactly as you suggest. Your idea is a good one. Perhaps you're sincere and will listen this time. We were scorned and discouraged on this site and off of it by members of both sides who seemed more interested in either only fighting each other or only getting everything that they wanted rather than genuinely working together to find and apply solutions. Below is the initial post we sent here. Despite the slippery management/council machinations regarding the old Khoury property and the exposure of the slick and hidden project to bring a casino into Iron Mountain as a fait accompli and develop around it accordingly, we resubmit our posting of last November unchanged. Since we submitted that post, we've continued our work despite the feuding. If you're serious about seeing and hearing effective ideas within the perspective a large picture and greater vision, and will take them seriously, then we accept your invitation, your challenge, and we'll again start to provide them. As far as the newly elected council members, you're not paying attention or are being misled if you don't think they haven't made an effort to do as you ask in your posting. Dave Farragh provided a wise, excellent, and inexpensive solution a couple months ago to the A Street project, meeting its goal while buying the city time to work toward long-term improvements and saving it a great deal of money and financial risk. Tina Peterson has been routinely working with and through state agencies and attempting to present state initiatives for grants and jobs through the governor's initiative to attract business and especially alternative-energy industry to Iron Mountain, something for which there is a great deal of support and money now in Lansing and nationwide. The mayor and city manager, however, have blocked her at every turn, inexplicably claiming a higher priority for city trails, of all things, and downtown improvement, which is like the tail wagging the dog. We don't see why the city should apply different standards to her efforts to provide money and jobs for Iron Mountain than the city applies to the city manager or any other city official. These new members and Mr. Rosen, and a number of department heads and other city employees, including the police and fire chiefs, have a good deal of other workable and economical suggestions for raising the standard of living and improving the quality of life in Iron Mountain, reasons for which the new council members were elected, recommendations that are effective under similar circumstances elsewhere and are not based on the current desires of a few or the pages of a musty 1970s political-science textbook or a predetermined managerial template, and might be able to present them publicly for consideration and adoption if the mayor and city manager, in conjunction with the other three council members, will depart from the strict and unexplained adherence to their pre-fixed agenda and pre-election plans and, instead of provoking and demonizing the new members, will allow them to contribute constructively. The voters have ordered you, veteran council members, and you, city manager, to let the new ones in. So that's our positive and worthwhile suggestion for tonight: let 'em in. Until our next contribution ... MMA et al.
11-19-2007-04 5-12-2008-05 This is what it's come to in Iron Mountain today? Justifying improper behavior to get your way rather than just behaving properly to begin with? And to pay a lobbyist big bucks to buy that justification? To sell the lie? 5-12-2008-04
To 5-12-2008-02: 5-12-2008-03
To the purveyors of this site and
the challengers/newly elected council. Please provide us, the
citizens, YOUR ideas for future growth and developement in Iron
Mountain. Please tell us what it will take to bring jobs and
stability here. Please, do not tell us anymore how we need to
fix the past. How wrong everything has been and what
opportunities have been lost because of it. Please do not tell
us what is wrong with other peoples suggestions and plans for
future job growth and developement. Please tell us what YOUR
ideas and suggestions are on future growth and developement.
Then we, as citizens, can really trully have a choice on our
direction. Until then all your thoughts are negative to others
ideas, not positive thoughts and ideas for change.
5-12-2008-02 Re: 5-11-2008-02 5-12-2008-01 Who ever heard of hiring a high-powered, down-state lobbying firm to fight a piddly city council recall effort in the Upper Peninsula? Not to mention expensive down-state lawyers. It doesn’t make any sense unless there really is something big and secret going on behind the scenes. Like this secret casino deal, for instance. Who is going to reap the benefits of this deal? Who is paying for the lobbying firm? The same people, I’d imagine. Is public disclosure required on who is paying for the lobbyists? It is election campaign related. I wonder if there would be an Indian tribe listed? This whole thing stinks, and is all the more reason to throw these bums - Burke, Caudell, Tchokreff - out. One thing I can not tolerate anymore is the people with inside information making money off City decisions that are kept hidden from the public. Oh, and making money off the people who do not have the inside info, too. And what about the other local government entities? Are they hiding this, too? When you take the quotes from that Feb. 22, 2008 newspaper article and put that US Dept. Of Interior letter next to it, it looks obvious that there has been a united effort by local government entities to keep this whole thing quiet. Is that what we elected ANY of them for? Secret deals? Making money from inside information? Taking advantage of the people without the info? Making huge, long-lasting decisions without our input? Behind our backs? Some local officials - Iron Mountain, Breitung Township, Dickinson County, Dickinson Area Partnership, etc. - better start coming clean on this soon. It is quite a stretch to believe that the tribe applied for this two years ago, and that they have not talked to ANY local officials about it, as the quotes in the newspaper most definitely imply. 5-11-2008-04
If there is an interest in the
requirements of 25 C.F.R. 151.10 and 151.11 which are cited in
the Department of the Interior letter, check
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title25/25-1.0.1.8.63.html
5-11-2008-03 Loved the C. S. Lewis
quote on progress posted at 5-8-2008-05. Nails the
incumbents perfectly. 5-11-2008-02 5-9-2008-06
restrikes a chord that's been humming in my chest and growing in
volume for two and a half years. I believe that in 5-5-2008-02's
provocative post she too remarked that instead of higher authorities
stepping in she would rather see us take care of our own business,
wash our own dirty laundry. In fact, I believe a couple of others
mentioned it too. It seemed this was a major reason for their
involvement. 5-11-2008-01
FYI: According to Therese Fortier, anti-recall lawyer Mary Ellen
Gurewitz will argue on May 20th that there are six examples of
unclear language in the original petitions to recall Dan Burke, Eden
Caudell, and Robin Tchokreff. 5-10-2008-01
Some additional information
about the Casino situation:
According to the Indian Gaming
Regulatory Act (IGRA), tribal gaming should take place on lands
located within boundaries of a tribe's reservation as it existed
on October 17, 1988.
The exceptions, however, are:
1. If the land is taken into trust
for the tribe as part of a settlement of a land claim.
2. If the land is restored to a
tribe whose status has been newly recognized by the Fed. Gov.
3. If the Sec. of the Dept. of the
Interior and The State Governor sign off on the land-into-trust
for gaming proposal.
Points to ponder:
Federally recognized tribes are
sovereign nations, and are exempt from local planning and zoning
laws.
Gaming developments require fire,
ambulatory, sewage and water services...yet are exempt from
State and local taxation.
Excerpt:
"Should the citizens of the
surrounding community be asked to fund the services necessary to
support the gaming development--such as road construction and
housing development--if they had no opportunity to meaningfully
participate in the gaming approval process?"
The role of private
developers:
"Some tribes turn to new players
such as venture capitalists and real estate developers to
finance the gaming approval process."
But what can happen is that private
developers may use this scenario to avoid the state and local
gaming approval process, and other State and local rules. The
IGRA exceptions were most likely not the intention of Congress
to become private developers' business models.
More points to Ponder:
Looking at this strictly as an
"Economic Impact" situation, what I have found so far in
research is this:
1. Unless studies are sponsored by
Gaming-related groups, there is no sufficient evidence for a
positive economic impact.
2. Anderson Economic Group found
some Tribe's numbers to be skewed, where the projections were
actually only half of those promised.
3. Surrounding communities suffered
actual losses.
4. Only a rare type of Demographic
and non-saturated market could have a chance of positive
economic impact. Otherwise, the customers would mostly be
locals; which takes business away from the other
entertainment/restaurant/leisure markets. Also, the casino
customer tends not to actually leave the casino facility to
patronize other local businesses, keeping all profits within the
building.
5. The creation of jobs are minimum
wage. If it is a tribal gaming facility: the jobs would be
filled by (mostly, I believe) the tribal members.
However, everyone would have to do
their own research...creating the most unbiased picture.
Social Impact:
The numbers and stats are there for
anyone to read and research. It's not about a moral judgement;
there are simply figures that tell a tale.
In many situations in life, there
are people who make millions off of human beings' weaknesses.
Some are more socially acceptable than others. Most people are
able to gamble as a viable entertainment source--some people are
not. Some unsatisfactory situations may go hand-in-hand with
certain types of businesses.
What I wish for our City, to the
core of my being, is economic growth in a totally different
direction. I still feel the time is ripe to fight for jobs in
connection with the State's direction. I would bet that our
surrounding communities even feel the same way, and a
collaborative effort could be pursued. What I envision are jobs
that provide living wages, benefits, enhancement of tax base,
and frankly; enhancement of our way of life.
It doesn't just jump in our lap,
however, and I refuse to believe what I'm being told repeatedly
by the Manager, Mayor, and three other council members: That we
can't possibly think of pursuing marketing,
manufacturing, or tech jobs because we need to have trails and a
vibrant downtown first. (?)
But, wouldn't those very types of
jobs be the key partnership with Bay West College to nurture
its growth as well?
Above all, isn't it time
that the residents of this City had a heads-up and a
choice towards their "progress" for a change?
Tina Peterson
5-9-2008-07 I have fixed the link to the January 2008 Archive Forum Posts. I have also created a Casino Information page and will try and gather and keep all information regarding a casino on this page. Webmaster 5-9-2008-06 Although I don't know
whether the investigations referenced by 5-5-2008-02 are real,
exaggerated, or wishful thinking, I do wish that she hadn't
mentioned them, because the mere prospect of intervention by higher
authorities reinforces the central failing of this town's citizenry:
hoping and expecting that other people will discharge their civic
duties for them. 5-9-2008-05 BREAKING NEWS ON PROPOSED CASINO IN IRON MOUNTAIN
Below is PROOF POSITIVE that the Lac Vieux Desert Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians (Watersmeet) applied to the U S Department of Interior requesting 10 acres in the City of Iron Mountain be put into trust status for off-reservation gambling. In all likelihood, they are continuing this pursuit by filing additional information.
Is the Mariucci-Varda plan tied to this somehow? Why is Bacco Construction aggressively seeking to buy land in the same area? Inside information that could skyrocket the value of the land is one obvious possibility.
This story is only one of many that will be unfolding in the very near future that will go a long way toward explaining the desperation of certain local interests to spend large sums of money to legally challenge a rather routine recall. It’s not because they are enamored with the wisdom of Eden Caudell, Dan Burke or Robin Tchokreff. They know that as long as they sit on the council and Marquart is the city manager, they can manipulate events toward huge personal payoffs. Stand by – this is just the beginning of an unfolding story. It will sweep many local individuals and interests into an unwanted limelight. Letter from the United States Department of the Interior 5-9-2008-04 Use your head,
5-7-2008-05. Why would someone make that kind of effort to convince
someone about something on which they already agree? I know that
woman. Her post is a testimonial of someone who, if not a convert,
is mightily fed up with the garbage coming from her own side of the
aisle. Your post is more wishful thinking than knowledge and
perhaps a bit of a fishing expedition, to boot. 5-9-2008-03
A Casino in the Works Stop! Don't tell me there's not something going on.
Seems those outside Iron Mountain know more about this than those in
Iron Mountain. Which, I'd suppose, is exactly how the knowing few
in Iron Mountain want it. I can't wait to investigate this further
and I invite others to pursue it, too. So-called "nonsense that
crazy people are making up about a casino"? Crazy indeed. Marquart,
you piece of dirt. You faked bewilderment and told me and others to
our faces months ago that this was nonsense from out of the blue and
that you knew nothing about it or anything like it, that even the
possibility of it was absurd. You snake. 5-8-2008-03, I salute
you. And am inclined to believe you. And now not so easily dismiss
what you write about Marquart and the possibility of that
investigation. Duck, Iron Mountain! I think we're about to get
clobbered by a P.R. blitz from City Hall, its most ardent
supporters, and its lobbyists. Letter from the United States Department of the Interior 5-9-2008-02 Interesting development, this new talk of a casino. Someone snidely (my opinion) asked for facts, believing either that there are none, or that they are hidden well enough that they cannot be found. Let's look at what little history we do have on it. This is going to be long, folks. If you stay with me, I promise it gets a lot more interesting at the end, after the necessary groundwork is laid. First, excerpts from past posts on this site: 6-17-2007-01 How about an Indian Gambling Casino in Iron Mountain? Yes, it has been and is being discussed behind the scenes. It's planned location is near the Pine Mountain Lodge area, probably in the Iron Mountain city limits, 6-19-2007-01 I've heard about the Indian Casino proposal, too. There is definitely something going on. The attorney for the Indians was a former local attorney. The new owners of Pine Mountain are allegedly involved as well. 8-13-2007-04 A friend of mine recently attended a party with a lot of 'big shots'. The conversation centered around the supposedly fact that an Indian tribe from up north wants to buy Pine Mountain resort and also build a casino. Has anyone heard anything about this? 8-14-2007-02 I have heard, as well, the story of a casino around the Pine Mountain Resort area. I don't know if they want to buy out the resort and expand it into a casino, . . . Landowners in the area have been approached to sell their property, BUT NOT by the city. It's a private group, of which at least one member is an incumbent on the city council. 8-26-2007-04 This is the same scenario that may be played out with the potential Casino and Pine Mountain. Doug Rigoni has been heard to ask about those roads at many Council meetings and push for their "realignment." More Grants to make Marquart look good, more money in Rigoni's pocket? Posts too numerous to cite from November, 2007 - 11-19-2007-03, 11-20-2007-01, 11-21-2007-01, 11-21-2007-03, 11-22-2007-01, 11-24-2007-03, 11-26-2007-01, 11-27-2007-01, 11-27-2007-02, 11-27-2007-03, 11-28-2007-01, 11-30-2007-01, 11-30-2007-02, 11-30-2007-04 Five posts in December, 2007 - 12-2-2007-02, 12-4-2007-01, 12-4-2007-02. 12-5-2007-01, 12-6-2007-02 January, 2008 posts are not accessible. Then there is the new spark of interest in May of this year. If you actually go back and read the posts listed above, you will see that there was a lot of denial that there was any plan at all to have a casino here in Iron Mountain. Some even tried to say it was not even legally possible. Then, you have these selected excerpts from a Daily News story dated Feb.. 22, 2008: Ron Erickson - "There are no plans for a casino." Former State Rep. Dave Anthony - "If property is purchased away from the reservation, the tribal council must specify exactly what it will be used for." Perry Franzoi - "(The township) has never received a request for the purchase of casino property in the township." And, "I don't see anything happening around here." Bruce Orttenburger - "We have no tribal land in our area." And, "I hear lots of stories and I can tell you there is no truth to any of them." John Marquart - "I don't put any faith in rumors. I don't believe anything is going to happen." Joe Stevens - "I've never heard anything concrete. If anything were going to happen, it would have to cross the path of the Dickinson County Board of Commissioners." So, the whole idea was hushed and supposedly laid to rest by that article. All the assurances from all the right people. I am wondering, though, how they can explain the attached letter to the rest of us? This letter is absolute and irrefutable proof that there has been an active pursuit of an Indian casino in Iron Mountain for at least two years! Are we to believe that the tribe submitted paperwork to the Federal government for a casino in Iron Mountain without talking to ANYONE in Iron Mountain and the surrounding area? The behind the back, sneaky underhandedness, and lying strikes again. This sure explains why people with inside information are scrambling to purchase all the land they can possibly get in that area. Oh, and the Indians are free to submit the information needed to continue their pursuit of this casino, in case any of you choose to point out that they were removed from consideration at this time, and try to say it's dead in the water. It's not. Letter from the United States Department of the Interior 5-9-2008-01 I am utterly confused. You question why people are attending the council meetings. I was told, last fall, by a former friend, that I should attend council meetings so that I could see what is going on. So…I have gone to everyone that I can. With all of the press about what is going on at council meetings, doesn’t it make sense that this has awakened the interest of citizens to see first hand how things are being done? Don’t we all, taxpayers and citizens, have a vested interest in the workings of our city and isn’t the council meeting a place to go to learn. Why would teachers of the local school system assign students to attend government meetings if it wasn’t to learn about the process and what is happening? In regards to other postings, I too would like to see some of the evidence documenting the investigation of our City Manager and council members. I have searched online, under every topic imaginable, I have contacted our state representative, state senator, U.S. representative and the Attorney General of Michigan. Hopefully they can shed some light on this for me and I will be willing release any information that they give me. Bacco Construction, Champion Inc., and many other successful business, in this area, have worked hard to get where they are today. Don’t for one minute think that the leaders of these successful businesses have sat back on their duffs and waited for opportunities to fall in their laps because it doesn’t work that way. They are reputable, provide quality work, and are genuinely good people who hire good people in our community to help the economy of Iron Mountain. You know, when I look back on my own personal growth I can see that I at one time was narrowed minded and opinionated about certain things. But I can say that by opening my mind and my heart, I am a person with much better vision and I thank God for the opportunity to be this new me. 5-8-2008-05 After reading and
hearing recent media coverage from the 3 council members up for
recall, I remembered something I had read concerning "progress". I
hope all these council members and their supporters who claim they
want to move forward and forget about the past, will take this to
heart. 5-8-2008-04
RE: 5-6-2008-05
Oh Tina, get a grip, you are
soooooooo dramatic. I don't think it would be like a Sopranos
scene if something suddenly happened to you. Also, those are
pretty major accusations about a casino, where are your
facts from? Could we see them too?
RE: 5-7-2008-01
If you had a business in this
screwed up town, wouldn't you go see what kind of zoo the
council meetings are. It was fine for all of you to watchdog
everyone else, but you can't seem to understand why reasonable
citizens would show up to see what you are doing???? Give me a
break.
As far as a recall goes,
how much is that going to cost me in MY TAX $$$ Don't tell me
it will cost me more if the evil city council goes on for
another year (can't we wait?) HOW MUCH???? CAN ANYONE TELL
ME THAT?
Time to look at all of this
with a little more sanity. Why is there so much b.s. going
on?? Everything is not a conspiracy, and this website makes it
all look that way. It is probably three people sending in
emails....
5-8-2008-03 A
Prophecy: Iron Mountain's Immediate Future 5-8-2008-02 How large does the crater in front of the Northern Michigan bank need to get before someone from the city notices that it is there? I can understand why my street is so bad, they either don’t know it’s there or just don’t care. Or are they just waiting till an asphalt truck hits it and looses part of its load, that way the not only get it fixed free but can fine the poor guy for spilling his load? 5-8-2008-01 If you're opposing the rank materialism, pornography, thuggery, selfishness, dishonesty, lawlessness, abuse, unresponsiveness, immorality and other undesirable elements within the power clique of Iron Mountain's present government and its wealthy, wealth-seeking supporters, there's some consolation and a place to turn for solace and strength. If you try to love the world as God loves the world, you will always be in the middle of trouble. Following God's way is always costly. I can't find anywhere in the Bible or throughout the Church's teachings, however, where it says you should stop. On the contrary. No one said the right way was gonna be the easy way, not even Jesus. In fact, you know what He did say. Re-read the Gospels for comfort, peace, and resolve. Listen to what Jesus tells you. It's not always easy to see, but Jesus is a pragmatist. Just hang on tight and keep the faith. Go into a room alone and pray -- don't be afraid to talk with God about this. Plug away, do what's right and do it for the right reasons. Stay on the right side of this devilish business and you'll be O.K. Yeah, I'm serious. Rely on your faith and what it tells you is good and right. 5-7-2008-06 5-6-2008-05
Singing like a Canary...Please read.
Wow, I'm sure you folks are all proud of your
Mrs. Peterson. What, has it been a few months and she is
already admitting her own ineffectivness and is behaving
like a child by ranting on this site versus as a
professional like you would expect a council member to
behave. Will she be here to whine each time she does not get
her way (maybe need to attend council member training)?
This on top of being unable to control her emotions during
a meeting. A little (ok more than a little) paranoid too.
5-7-2008-05
Those people are attending the
council meeting because they are citizens and they have the
right. No one owns the privelege of deciding who can and can not
come to a public meeting. You don't own your chair or the
podium. You don't own the city. And most of all, you don't own
the right to be outraged at the idea of a group of people trying
to lie, cheat and steal their way into putting personal
interests before anything else. We're all outraged. And as for
the phony, contrived letter pretending to be a friend of Mrs.
Fortier and publishing those emails - it's a lie. It will always
be a lie. You weren't a supporter, you haven't been her friend,
and you weren't suddenly won over by the other side. You are
just a little person using a foolish, obvious tactic to convince
the people who already agree with you. Here's an idea - why
don't you start a pretend website using some elses name - you
could pretend you were gay or liberal or smart.
5-7-2008-04 I don't care what you think, 5-6-2008-04. Or any of you on any side of these issues who regularly overlook or dismiss evidence and fail to understand its real use and power. Frankly, it doesn't matter what you think. It's beyond that. Be as smug and dismissive as you want. Choose, like the sad old men you oppose, not to get up off your rear end and retrieve the evidence yourself. It doesn't matter. Marquart is toast. Maybe not this month, maybe not next month, but relatively soon. Personally, I hope that the authorities don't strike until at least mid-August, so we can get our blows in locally. How burnt he gets will likely depend on what kind of plea bargain he strikes, if any. Nothing is going to change that the end is in sight for him. And no matter what you think, believe, or say is going to change what is going to happen. So deride and protest all you want. You too may as well just sit back and wait for the show to commence like the rest of us. And start protecting your own flank. Who knows what Marquart will say and produce about whom if it's to lessen the degree of punishment on his own hide. 5-7-2008-03 I kind of doubt there is
a three-state Federal and State investigation going on about
Marquart. Sound like a stretch, simply because Marquart himself
isn't that big of a fish. 5-7-2008-02 What IS going on at the council meetings? Why is Ted Corombos at every single meeting? Talk about big money running the city - he's the guy. Why is Don Christy always there - could it be he's protecting some sort of special interest? Why is Bill Toedter and his wife there? And Mike Nicometo dressed up in a suit! Scandalous. What could they be looking for? How mysterious. I certainly can't believe that they are just citizens who are concerned about city government - it has to be some sort of conspiracy. I'm sure they would never attend out of loyalty to any cause or to be supportive of the council - it MUST be a self-serving reason - IT JUST HAS TO BE. After all, this is Iron Mountain the land of giant business interests, frightening conspiracies and big, big money. Watch out everyone. 5-7-2008-01 Why is Bacco president
John Fortier, his wife and his father-in-law now attending city
council meetings regularly when they never did in the past? Bacco
interests, maybe? $400,000 of free water and sewer lines to their
property just south of the Hydraulic Falls Road. Big jobs on the
proposed Mariucci project? Why are they tryng to assemble land all
around it? 5-7-2008-01
TV6 News ran a great story last
night and again this morning, the first of a three part series
called "Trouble on the Mountain." With both sides of the
political issues laid out, it’s almost unbelievable that anyone
could continue to support John Marquart or the three members
facing recall, or even Jeff Vanlaanen. Pooja Lodhia did a
fantastic job of cutting through the political spin and lies and
getting to the heart of the issues. It was nice to finally hear
council members facing recall admitting that the manager is
controversial and has polarized this community. That could not
be a good thing in any sense of the word, in my opinion, so I
wonder how they can keep driving on with their narrow-minded
agenda.
I do have to give John Marquart
some credit for his short comments. He said that he does what
the council tells him to do, whether it be by a 7 - 0 vote or a
4 - 3 vote. I have long held that opinion myself, and that
comment by Mr. Marquart makes it all the more imperative that we
oust Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff in this recall. He did fail
to mention that he carries out their instructions with no regard
for the law, or the people it affects, and without thinking
things through. He also failed to mention that they usually gave
him his marching orders based on exactly what HE told them they
should be doing.
I am eagerly awaiting part 2 of the
series, which should be airing tonight at 6:00 central time.
5-6-2008-08 Tho I'd love to believe it, and tho I could believe it, I'd strongly recommend that everyone discount any talk of Marquart supposedly being under the federal and state investigation until such news breaks publicly or someone produces the evidence from the primary sources -- those being the agencies and departments allegedly going after him. Meanwhile I wouldn't touch that investigation business with a ten-foot fork. If it's true, fine, but there are plenty of other arguments and damning evidence with which to carry on this fight. I suggest we marshall all of that and present it to the voters effectively. And to converts who want to carry on the fight among those we have opposed for the last few years, more power to you, good luck, and thanks. 5-6-2008-07
It amazes me that new reasons to
recall Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff keep piling on even after
the recall petitions have been gathered and filed. John Marquart
continues to be insubordinate to new council members Rosen,
Peterson, and Farragh, and the other four are failing to hold
him accountable. He continues to issue illegal orders to his own
subordinates, and Vanlaanen, Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff fail
to hold him accountable. He continues to show incompetence in
failing to accomplish time-sensitive tasks, and the four still
do not hold him accountable. He continues to disregard city
ordinances, and the four fail to hold him accountable. Marquart
continues to use his office to retaliate against people he
doesn’t like, and they fail to hold him accountable. He
continues to lie about city business, and they continue to look
the other way. Examples of all of the above have occurred within
the last month.
It’s like they are flaunting their
self-perceived indestructibility, daring to have someone hold
them accountable for failing to do their jobs. As an excellent
post said a few weeks ago, when did this sort of behavior become
OK? How can these new plants in the meeting audiences continue
to ignore the facts, and condone such reprehensible behavior?
Do they think the people are that complacent and sheep-like,
that they won't care about lying, bullying, law-breaking, - well
I hate to keep repeating this stuff, but this is all NEW
stuff!! Not exactly in the forgive and forget category. Those
who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, right?
5-6-2008-06 5-6-2008-01: John
Marquart will not tell you about this. Unless he feels compelled to
do so eventually to save his hide. Perhaps he is "negotiating," as
he is wont to say, as he said about the recent MIOSHA fines of
$20,000 his management incurred, with the parties I mentioned. 5-6-2008-05
Singing like a
Canary...Please read.
Last Thursday, May 1st, I called
John Marquart and asked if the Department heads could be allowed
to be at the budget workshop meeting to be held Monday, May 5th
at 3:00. I explained that I wanted all of the council members
to be able to ask questions of them, because we were
making decisions to cut important items in their departments,
including jobs. There were trade-offs to the cuts that may not
actually save money, and the Department heads would be able to
explain, as they know the day-to-day workings of their
departments: personnel, scheduling, equipment, etc. We were not
provided that type of information by the City Manager, and were
only provided his suggestions for cuts two days prior.
Mr. Marquart maintained it was not a
good idea, and that he didn't want it to be their
"bitch sessions and wish lists."
I said that it would not in any way
be that, it was about being able to ask questions; how could we,
as council members, make responsible decisions that impacted
whole departments without being able to ask questions? I felt
that what Mr. Marquart said was extremely disrespectful to the
Chiefs.
He said he would think about it and
I could know the next day.
I did proceed to ask the Police
Chief and Fire Chief if they would be willing to come Monday, so
that if any questions came up we would be able to ask. They
both said yes, they would, and were interested in being able to
answer questions. It seemed like the right thing to do, to ask
their permission to come.
I called Mr. Marquart Monday
afternoon since I hadn't heard back from him, and he told me
that they would not be there. He put it forth that the Chiefs
had concerns about being there. This was not the case, as they
were told it was best if they were not there. Mr. Marquart went
on to tell me that it was past the point in the budget process
that their input should be heard. I tried to tell him that it
was a very simple request, and again that council members should
be able to know long term impacts on departments. There was
nothing I could do or say, and I tried; he would not
allow them to be there and had many reasons that made no sense.
At the budget workshop, Jeff
Vanlaanen said that we only wanted to "interrogate" the Chiefs,
when I brought the subject up about them not being allowed to
attend. He also tried to say that it was somehow against the
Charter, which it is not. Mr. Marquart said that it wasn't
proper for me to ask them. Somehow, along with the usual
residents that have been getting up at Council meetings lately,
there was one who spoke and said that we shouldn't talk
to Department heads, it would only mess things up. Eden said
that we could talk to them individually and report back to the
Council, (lucky us!) which I replied that what if I got the
information wrong? Why couldn't we all just ask at one time?
People, can anyone see this
for what it really is? It is only one in many, many, repeating
situations of being an elected official who is basically
impotent. This City Manager does indeed run the entire
show, the entire City, exactly as he wishes.
Can you understand what it's like to
make your 5th request for an item to be on the Agenda and get
turned down by the Manager yet again? To be continually left in
the dark about most City issues because you won't "play the
game?" To be chastised because you are trying to do your job
and won't rubber stamp everything? To put forth 3 separate
times to your council and Manager; Economic development that
would be in partnership with the State, and actually provide
high paying jobs enhancing our whole commnuity...only to be told
that we need more trails and a better downtown first? Told that
it is impossible? To wonder why you are even sitting in the
chair, because it has all been "worked out" in Marquart's office
or the Moose Jackson previous to the meeting anyway? To know
that certain residents with big pocketbooks are really running
the City, making all of the decisions, and you could be a
cardboard cut-out for all it's worth?
I've asked other municipalities
about what is "normal"...what requests are too far fetched.
Outside of these City limits, no eyelashes would be batted when
asking a logical question. There would be input from all
council members, transparency, cooperation...understanding that
sharing information is essential to making decisions.
But, that is when all council members actually count, I
suppose.
Outside of these City Limits, the
entire Council would care about the repercussions and impact to
taxpayers, departments, and good business sense. Somewhere out
there, people still care about right and wrong; but things have
gone so far here under a sort of unstoppable locomotive of
fabricated reality. It has turned into a situation of "plowing
down" anything or anyone who gets in their way, damn the
consequences. Well, that's progress for you, I guess. I hope
that the end result was well worth the casualties along the way
and the future dessication.
I hope the
Casino that is planned to support
the Convention Center does not tear apart the City, or bring
along with it unsavory elements. I hope that all the players
who are lining up and jockeying for position to capitalize on
inside information regarding land purchases find it was
worth the massacre. I hope the tens of thousands that
are about to be spent on an elite Michigan Lobbying Firm to help
those facing recall will be traced back easily enough. I hope
the higher-up Democratic party affiliates who are supporting
this in the background come to their senses and realize that the
City Manager, and others, are trying to wipe out Union
benefits...that won't look good for their Party....they might
have some explaining to do.
I hope that Iron Mountain
residents take a good, hard look at the direction they want for
their City; and decide if it is Hannahville as opposed to State
partnered manufacturing or Tech jobs. Possibly, they might
prefer the latter, but they will have to get intensely and
quickly involved because the "powers that be" have this all
mapped out for all of us, set in motion, TIFA money
budgeted.....Oh, and a perpetual 4 to 3 vote on everything from
the Budget to DDA members.
I also hope somebody
investigates if anything suspicious ever happens to me...
Good Luck.
Tina Peterson
Iron Mountain City Council Member
5-6-2008-04 To the readers looking for some sort of proof of the allegations against Mr. Marquardt, there isn't any. This site in general is prone to wild accusations and scare tactics, however, this one is beyond belief. Does anyone reading these posts really, really believe that the city manager of our town could be under investigation by three states and a number of government agencies and no city officials would know about it? Who is this mysterious overseer of secret investigations and how does just this one person manage to infiltrate all these government agencies? Really, three different states and no proof whatsoever. Does he have an insider connection to someone in our city hall who would be able to inform him of these frightful issues? If you put some common sense into your thought process, you will realize that none of it is true. Nothing - not a word. It's made up and it's a sad indication of how far people will go to achieve their bitter dreams. Sad old men - all of you. 5-6-2008-03
Can anyone provide supporting
documentation or some other reliable resource to confirm the
allegation made on this site regarding a multi-state and federal
investigation of the City Manager?
5-6-2008-02
Dear Iron Mountain Voters:
I agree with 5-5-2008-02. Beyond
all the noise and disagreeableness of many of the people
supporting and promoting the recall of Dan Burke, Eden Caudell,
and Robin Tchokreff, they have a point and, bottom line, are on
the right side of this issue. Many of us thought this was
obvious when we voted last year. It appears that the remaining
office holders have chosen to adhere strictly to the letter of
the law to serve their own purposes rather than honor the spirit
of the law to serve the city.
It's time to unite with the
recallers on this issue. We must hold these council members
accountable and recall them because they have failed to hold
John Marquart accountable. And John Marquart, through design,
ignorance, and incompetence, has done and continues to do great
and evident damage to Iron Mountain, being his own agent as much
as the single minded deputy and soulless bureaucrat of several
established business interests in town. John Marquart seemed a
good idea at one time. He fooled many of us. He has since
shown his true colors and lack of mettle and his time has
passed. He is not good for Iron Mountain in any capacity, even
for those hypnotized, deluded, and shortsighted business
interests. You can lie about the numbers or deny them, but you
can't change them or the results of them. John Marquart
continues to atrophy Iron Mountain right down to and into the
city's bone and cartilage even as he continues to feast on what
little is left of the city's meat. Only if the whole of Iron
Mountain is fat, though, can those businesses and the others in
town be fat. But bait-and-switch, voodoo economics, and
government propaganda are issues for another day.
Those who agree with and support
city manager John Marquart and former mayor Ken Tousignant
and their circle of collaborators and supporters, many of whom
have been and continue to be my friends, are either purposely or
inadvertently advocating and carrying out an assault on common
decency and high, good values in and around Iron Mountain. It's
that simple. 5-5-2008-02 is right. So is 4-18-2008-04. This
is not only a serious and deteriorating political and economic
problem, it is a moral problem and therefore will affect every
other aspect of our lives.
The obvious ineptness, decline, and
divisiveness are certainly major problems. John Marquart is a
master of dividing people and pitting them against each
other. "Divide and conquer!" This is a principal tool of any
political hack. And anyone who looks at the hard numbers and
trends and believes Iron Mountain is in great shape and heading
for wonderful times is either letting herself be deceived or
deceiving herself. But the most serious problem that stands out
to me is the dishonesty. It infuriates and frustrates me. It's
just like a huge black stain on the sky. How do I explain to my
questioning kids the unending stream of obvious lies by John
Marquart and those working with him? Please! How do I do
that? Marquart and his comrades can publicly say or do one
thing at a meeting or in the media or elsewhere on the official
public record, then turn on a dime and, incredibly, either deny
just as publicly that he and they said it or did it, or state
and do something that is absolutely contradictory to what he and
they first said and did! And for which there is undeniable
proof! They'll put their signatures on whatever is convenient
at the moment! This boggles the mind. About this, 5-5-2008-02
is also right. If you are responsible enough and bright enough
and brave enough to simply look, the evidence of this is
available everywhere.
I think we are stupider than our
children. The emperor's new clothes? What clothes? While we
oo and ah, the kids see right through this malarkey. Which we
have been teaching them to do and hoping and praying that they
do. Then they want to know how we can support and justify
people like John Marquart and his ilk who are doing what we have
taught the kids to be wrong. And do you know what? The kids
are right! They are reflections of our better selves. They
don't buy the bull. If we believe what we teach our kids and if
we want them to believe it too, we can't support the Marquart
party's unrelenting dishonesty. We can't justify what they do.
Led by John Marquart, some of this city's most prominent
politicians and business leaders have been and continue to set a
horrible, horrible example. We succumb to it, support it, or do
not protest it, all of which are further horrible examples. And
we wonder where kids get this junk from? For crying out loud!
They get it from us!
Therefore, like 5-5-2008-02, I will
quietly and privately support, campaign, and vote for the
recall. People have erred and, friends or not, we must hold
them responsible. If we do not draw the line at accountability,
everything falls apart. It's no different than disciplining our
children or holding responsible the leaders in our social and
church lives or our leaders at the state and national levels.
I'm not going to get on a soapbox. At social gatherings no one
will openly know I have changed my mind and I will carry on
routinely and make all the right noises and poo-poo the tactics
and noise of the loud and noisy recallers, etc., etc.,
etc. Privately and individually, however, I will sing a
different song and I will make a difference. So
will 5-5-2008-02. I already know that. And when she, I, and
countless others, twittering our sympathy that Dan and Eden and
Robin have to go through this ordeal while on our way to the
polls, cast our secret vote in August, it will be to recall
Burke and Caudell and Tchokreff and, by extension, fire John
Marquart. If for no other reasons than common moral decency
and our kids, please join me.
5-6-2008-01
I should start this off by saying
that I have been following the website almost since its
inception. I have looked at a lot of documentation to support
many claims made on this website. Like the writer of post
5-5-2008-02, I like to verify things with my own eyes. In the
course of tracking down some of the documentation, I have seen
documentation of other, serious issues that have not even
appeared on this website. In other words, because of all the
documentation out there, I have long thought that John Marquart
has to go, and that ousting three of his supporting council
members last year was a good start. This recall also needs to
move forward, because these three members refuse to consider
documentation in making their decisions. The most damning proof
of that is the bonus they gave him earlier this year, when the
documentation clearly showed that Marquart should be fired, at
the very least.
Post 5-5-2008-02 was quite lengthy,
but it held my attention because it was well written and
embraced a lot of points already proven to be true. The post was
"preaching to the choir" when I was reading it. Now, my problem,
this quote from that post:
"Has he told any of you that he (and
several of his closest local associates for some local items) is
under a combined investigation by the Attorneys General of the
states of Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, various agencies
of these states and the government of the United States (e.g.,
the DEQ and EPA), all under the aegis of the U.S. Justice
Department's U.S. Attorney 's Office for Michigan's Western
District?"
I consider myself fairly good at
digging and finding proof of things brought out on this website.
I do it because I care about our City, and what they are doing
to our reputation, financial future, safety, integrity, etc. I
have searched high and low, and can find no proof of the claim
made above. Like I said earlier, I like to verify things for
myself. Can the writer provide me with any proof of this claim?
I mean no disrespect, but, like you, I have learned not to take
anyone’s word for things when it pertains to the City of Iron
Mountain. So, please give me something on this that I can sink
my teeth into. Thank you.
5-5-2008-05
Posting twenty ad hominem arguments doesn't make any of them valid.
Like the notes the preacher put in his sermon outline, "Point weak!
Shout Loud!" You would suggest that those who do not visit this
site are apathetic and complacent (antonyms of
your word
zealot). You argue that the citizenry are to be "tolerant." In
your futile attempt to appear erudite you only expose your ignorance 5-5-2008-04 After reading the latest postings, I would like to clarify one thing. The money that will need to be spent for the appeal process will NOT be coming from the citizens of Iron Mountain’s tax revenue. This is being paid for by a committee of citizens. Another point, I raised two questions at the April 7, city council meeting and I have nothing more to gain from my queries than any other citizen of this community. We all have something to gain or something to lose if things are not done with the entire community in mind. When will politicians stop being politicians and do what they were voted in to do? 5-5-2008-03 Once again I checked to see what new was on IronMountainIssues and found that not much is new but the same thing being repeated using different language. For one, I am tired of reading about what a great guy Dale A. is. He did extensive work in my home in 2000 and 8 years later I am still hiring people to fix all that they did wrong. He left my residence with these words, “If you see something wrong, get in touch with me and we will see that it is taken care of.” Well, things were wrong and he did fix two of them but soon after writing to him with a list of things that were wrong, I didn’t get any response. I went to his former place of business to find that the doors were locked and he had filed bankruptcy. He is not as reputable as many think. 5-5-2008-02 Date: Friday, May 2, 2008 2:34 PM
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Terese and I have been friends forever. But I can no longer
support her and others allied with her in this on-going
political nonsense, their gauche and silly propaganda campaigns,
and their effort to stop the recall election. Either you,
Terese, and the others are in denial, are unaware that you have
been deceived and are being used, or you are blindly convinced
that you are privileged and have become motivated by naked greed
and ambition. By opposing the recall, you are consciously
mounting an effort to justify and defend with sentiment,
personal attacks, and dishonesty in all of its forms a position
that tries to counter an argument that is based solidly on
documentation, evidence, uncontestable proof that will stand up
in the media and in the courts. No matter how dear you and
others are to me, I cannot support that type of behavior by
you. Not politically, not practically, not morally. It goes
against everything I was ever taught, every lesson of experience
I have ever learned, and is ultimately counter-productive,
self-defeating, and punishing. It is simply not right.
Furthermore, this city cannot progress as long as all of you,
ironically, dig in your heels and stand like a mob of
reactionaries in the way of progress. Remember? We are the
ones for progress.
I am not particularly fond of this Web site. Some of the postings are brilliant, eminently reasonable and true and convincing ... some of the best writing anyone in this city has ever produced. They are a pleasure to read and worth an occasional visit to the site. Many, however, apparently most, are strident, petty, melodramatic, unnecessarily provocative, poorly written and confusing, even uncommunicative, and dullingly repetitive. Worst of all, they are distracting and only irritate and estrange readers, driving them away, readers who would otherwise be moved by the good submissions, the constructive and persuasive ones. Those lousy writers will probably be tempted to fire up and submit petty and inflammatory remarks after they read Terese's email and my submission, but in the interest of common ground and harmony I would request that they please not do so. Nevertheless, if you get past all of the senseless cat-calling, grade-school playground repartee, distraction, and countless instances of would-be writers shooting themselves and their cause in the foot, there is truth at the heart and at the foundation of this Web site. And clear direction to the truth where it lies elsewhere. It took me a long time to get past the confrontational attitude and pugnaciousness of many writers at this site, but beyond the distastefulness is the truth. Last month someone submitted to the forum an essay about "When did wrongdoing become O.K.?" It is titled or labelled 4-18-2008-04 in the manner in which they list their forum postings here. You can go back a few weeks and read it. Wonderfully written, each line drove a stake through my heart. I was absolutely indignant and set out to find instances of what the writer was talking about. I was determined that I would fairly, justly pursue only factual and complete evidence and not be led by my indignation and sympathies. I would no longer accept anyone's word, even family's or friend's, but only empirical proof as science and the law and common sense would view it, where I could see it in writing or witness it in action. Within two days I felt like an absolute fool. I was completely mortified. Whether it is from the U.S., the state, the city, opponents, unsuspecting past allies, or numerous other official and unofficial sources, item after item of irrefutable evidence on the books or over a signature is publicly available and supported every issue over and over again in that April essay. Worse, it supports virtually everything that local persons I regularly disagree with and strongly dislike have been saying for years about the city's government from 2004 until now. It is information I did not want to believe, failed to pursue, chose to ignore. To my great embarrassment and shame today. I can no longer support those individuals such as Terese who are doing the same as I did for years. Although there is absolutely damning evidence against several local politicians and businesspersons, the major problem and principal source of trouble and danger today is John Marquart. This man is a paragon of ignorance, incompetence, and deceit. Principally, he is an habitual liar. Perhaps to what I believe now is the point of sickness. If he does not know something, he will lie to cover his ignorance. If he botches his job, he will lie to avoid blame and assign it to another. If he wants to accomplish something and the truth will not serve him, he will lie as routinely as he breathes. He lies not only to the public and to his opponents to serve his immediate and future ends, he lies to his "friends," colleagues, allies, and supporters. He has put council members, supporters, and city employees in completely untenable positions. And he convinces others that it is in their best interest to lie also. And he convinces others that this is acceptable behavior, that lying is a good and necessary tool for doing business. Very hip and savvy. One would be naive not to lie, although I would not want to have to convince a judge and jury of that. He and his closest local associates will have ruined some decent, if gullible, Iron Mountain careers, reputations, and lives before the on-going political turmoil plays itself out. He is the Pied Piper, and this is where I hope you, Terese, the others, and my associated family members and friends, will wake up and please be careful before he leads you, Messiah-like, right over the lip of the cliff. John Marquart and his cronies, both conscious and duped, lie to us regularly, have drawn us in, and presume to use us, expect us to go down with them, to muddy the waters, and to protect them as we protect ourselves when the dirt hits the fan. An example of John Marquart's dishonesty ... Has he told any of you that he (and several of his closest local associates for some local items) is under a combined investigation by the Attorneys General of the states of Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, various agencies of these states and the government of the United States (e.g., the DEQ and EPA), all under the aegis of the U.S. Justice Department's U.S. Attorney 's Office for Michigan's Western District? Has he told any of you that? Don't you think someone who has chosen to collude with him deserves to know if something like that is happening, since you will be as responsible as he is in the eyes of the law once both shoes drop? Don't you think you deserve a heads-up from him? If the citizens of Iron Mountain do not throw out John Marquart, first by throwing out his facilitators and supporters, you can bet state and federal authorities will. The wheels are in motion, but you have not heard a peep from that man. Even if the voters do recall Eden, Mr. Burke, and Mr. Tchokreff, and even if John Marquart is subsequently fired, I will bet an arm and a leg that Mr. Marquart and some of those in cahoots with him over the past four years will still go to trial, and some of them be painfully fined and go to jail. Count on it. Much of what you and I and the rest of the city want are important to the city. Even things that John Marquart and his clique pay lip service to. The prospective Mariucci project is one example. But we must not let the city manager and his cronies use us to hijack and manipulate such opportunities, projects, and schemes to their advantage and to the detriment of the city. We have to obtain these things the correct way and avoid venality and corruption, which is what Mr. Marquart represents and with which he consistently, underhandedly operates. In the end, no one gains anything that way and everyone loses something. I do not want the local or state police or FBI showing up at my and my family members' and my friends' doors with subpoenas and arrest warrants because John Marquart and his cronies conned and manipulated us to serve the ends of him and his local political and business thugs and supporters. Iron Mountain is my town, our town, and we can clean our own house, wash our own dirty laundry ... we do not need, and I certainly do not want, the embarrassment and setbacks of the state and federal authorities coming to Iron Mountain and "saving the hicks from themselves," having to do what we should be wise enough, sophisticated enough, and capable enough to do ourselves. Another black eye is not something we need. Therefore, Terese, I cannot accept your invitation. I am throwing my resources, influence, and support behind the effort to recall Eden, Burke, and Tchokreff, not because they are bad people, but because they have been inept, dimwitted, duped, and irresponsible. I am throwing my resources, influence, and support behind the effort to discredit the unsupported and even wacky nonsense of Mayor VanLaanen, who has also been enchanted by the current city manager. And I am throwing my resources, influence, and support behind the effort to dismiss John Marquart, one of the chief sources and perpetuators of the political and economic woes of Iron Mountain since 2004. I will do this quietly and privately, on a one-to-one basis, not preaching to the choir but reasonably to those who are being lied to by the city government and feel as sympathetic as I did toward that government less than two weeks ago. If it helps more people than it hurts and serves to accomplish my goal, then I will gladly make my identity available. We will do this in a civil, decent manner with all the proprieties of etiquette that will allow us still to agree politiely with each other and be friendly at Moose-Jackson's and other get-togethers, but will arm us with the truth and its evidence so that we can vote our conscience and our true self-interest at the ballot table in August. Moreover, I am not throwing my resources and support behind these efforts because I agree with the body of the current and recent governments' opponents. I do agree with them on the issues (the full truth is the full truth to all), but as a group they are not a principal reason for me to oppose Mr. Marquart. I am doing it, materially and morally, for myself, for the benefit of my city, for my church, and for my friends and family, whom I love and care for and do not want to see further deceived, damaged, and pushed to the edge of ruin by John Marquart and glorified bureacrats and unscrupulous characters like him and around him. I hope that, in your own interest, for your own benefit, you will start dismissing the hearsay and smears of Mr. Marquart and his acolytes, turn to the available evidence (hold your nose, if you must, and ask Mr. Rosen, Ms. Peterson, and/or Mr. Farragh to start getting your hands on it), give it a fair hearing, digest it, and please get behind me. Thank you for admitting me to your forum, Iron Mountain Issues, and lending me your attention. 5-5-2008-01 Thanks for the breakdown on the numbers for each individual person running in both the primary and the final election. They prove the point that Dale Alessandrini didn't win a seat on the council. Please go back and list the numbers about his previous run for the council and then his run for the county board. Those numbers will also show he was defeated. He lost, he lost again and he lost one more time. It's not that he's a bad person for remaining involved or that he shouldn't have a say in his community. It's just that I've attended the meetings and his long-winded presentations are just that - long-winded. The posts on this site continue to name call and threaten and issue dire warnings about crimes and schemes. It sounds ridiculous and foolish as does the continued battling. You are indignant over anything that's said about someone who agrees with you but don't hesitate to throw out unproven claims and plenty of name calling. Grow up and make a real contribution to the world around you. 5-3-2008-03
To 5-2-2008-01, from 5-1-2008-03
You can use all the hundred dollar
words you want; (yawn) I’m not impressed. Arrogance, smugness,
and feebly attempting to be clever will not change the facts of
why this website and this recall exist. I couldn't help but
notice that you spent some time coming up with your list,
but, did not in any way attempt to refute the documentation
(real, solid stuff) that should bury Burke, Tchokreff, and
Caudell at the polls.
Stop the Lies.
Stop the law-breaking.
End the madness.
Vote YES in August in your
respective wards.
5-3-2008-02
To: 5-2008-01, please refer
to your #4. I prefer L.V. to Hermes.
5-3-2008-01 Reference to post 5-2-2008-01 Your top 20 list makes no sense. You are just venting some anger issues that you must suffer from. You forgot the the top reason why this website exits. To get the information out to the citizens of Iron Mountain. 5-2-2008-02 5-2-2008-01 The top reasons why ironmountainissues.org exists (In no particular order)! #20: You! The trifiling, whose hate speech only exposes your ignorance and lack of character. #19: You! The exhibitionist, who relishes in the spotlight at the expense of others. #18: You! The repugnant, who foments at every opportunity. #17: You! The zealot, who is jaded and impotent. #16: You! The cocksure, who thinks they are God’s potentate on earth. #15: You! The intolerant, whose ineptness and jealousy is seen in every diatribe. #14: You! The paranoid, whose pyschosis oozes from your every pox. #13: You! The fallacious, whose misleading and deceptive statements are your pedigree. #12: You! The obtuse, whose narrowness and shortsightedness are your security blanket. #11: You! The twerp, whose desire to become significant at the expense of others only proves your insignificance. #10: You! The wretch, who continually tries to shed your miserable skin in the hopes it will infect others. #9: You! The egomaniac, that thinks only you can be right or righteous. #8: You! The iconoclast, that needs to always do things your way. #7: You! The narcissist, whose time is consumed with self love and never loves. #6: You! The magpie, who just likes to hear yourself chatter. #5: You! The nibs, whose self importance covers you with a black cloud so completely from head to toe that you are relegated to eternal blindness. #4: You! The nonsequitur, who can’t write anything of relevance or meaning. #3: You! The dogmatic, whose opinions and assertions are portals that give readers a glimpse into your empty dark soul. #2: You! The ignoramous, that is going to repond to this with negativity and nonsequitur. #1: You! The Hermes wanna-be. 5-1-2008-03
I just finished the Aaron Harper
story on the verified recall signatures. It looks like this
recall is moving forward, but one line in the story stuck out to
me:
"There is a 30 day window in
which an appeal of the valid signatures can be challenged, which
is anticipated."
Are you kidding me? An appeal of
the now verified signatures is anticipated? Don’t these
people know when to give up? It fits right in with their
attitude that the will of the people doesn’t mean anything to
them. I remember when Ms Caudell said that the opinion of 75 or
so people at a council meeting doesn’t represent the opinion of
most people in the city. Is it sinking in yet? You are now
looking at 856 verified signatures. Do they, maybe, start
to form an impression of the opinion of the citizens? Let’s not
forget that over three thousand votes (3,209) put the three new
members in office, too. I find it very hard to believe that one
hasn’t sunk in yet.
What would the nature of the appeal
be, I wonder? Really, I do wonder what they will come up with,
because I've run out of rationalizations for any
legitimate basis to appeal this recall. There is just too much
information documentation out there. So, instead of getting
angry over it, I decided to have a little fun coming up with:
The top 10 reasons to appeal
verified signatures:
10. "It's not fair to allow the
recall because there are too many people in favor of it."
9. "But, we haven't finished raping
TIFA, the general fund, and any other money we can get our hands
on yet."
8. "You must strike this group of
names because they don’t make enough money."
7. "You must strike these names
because they believe violating the City Charter is a bad thing."
6."This group of names are not
members of the DDA, so, therefore, they should not have a vote."
5."You must strike the names of
landlords, city retirees, firemen, DPW workers, past public
officials, and anyone in any of their families because we don’t
think they should have a say in how they are governed."
4. "These names must be struck
because they recently had a bad experience with the City
government."
3."You must strike this group of
names because it’s rumored they just think we’re arrogant."
2."These names must be struck
because they foolishly believe that not telling the truth is the
same thing as lying." Or, drum roll please,
1."You must strike this group of
names because they would vote against us when it’s really John
Marquart they don’t like."
In my opinion, whatever they come up
with, it won’t be any more valid than the list above.
5-1-2008-02 Re:
4-30-2008-02 5-1-2008-01
Hallelujah!! Recall petition
signatures have been approved for all three wards:
It’s easy to see why supporters of
Marquart, Vanlaanen, Burke, Caudell, and Tchokreff have turned
to character assassination as a defense, the latest example
being post 4-30-2008-02. They do it because there is no valid
defense against the language in the recall. They are attacking
the messengers with everything they have. It’s pathetic and
small-minded, and shows more of the character of the writer than
the accused. To defend these people at this point is to defend
lying, law-breaking, charter-violating, bullying, favoritism,
and the like. There is so much proof out there that there is no
excuse.
How can people who I’ve always
thought were so intelligent and respectable be defending the
likes of Marquart and his cronies after all that has been
exposed? It boggles my mind that they won’t even look at the
reams of documentation, but choose to accept the past behavior
as okay. That, to me, is very disturbing.
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