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June 2008 Postings 6-30-2008-02
I agree the picture of the
broken hydrant near the pit reflects part of the problem in
this city. Look around the city and there are many more
hydrants with those out of service signs. Marquart has no
problem sending the public works guys out to clear cut that
hillside at the same time neglecting so many important
things, such as hydrants. I remember hydrants being an issue
during the fall election only after the challengers raised
the public awareness that hydrants had not been flushed,
serviced or just didn't work. At that time Marquart tried to
cover up the problems saying everything was OK. By the looks
of it, things are not OK in Iron Mountain and you can call
me negative all you want it will not change the facts.
As far as the hillside on the north side of the pit, can
anyone tell me why the citizens could not know what was
going to happen before it happened? The trees were cut down
some time ago and only after the new council members
insisted on knowing the plan did anything come out. The plan
for the pit still seems a bit sketchy, there now working
with a landscape architect, it will look nice and it will
take time? They did more planning than that on getting rid
of the deer pen at city park. I hope the hill does turn out
nice it could be the first thing to be a success in the last
four years.
The problem with these people, everything has to become a
battle in the public to get anything. City Government does
not need to be this way, there are better people out there
to run our City.
6-30-2008-01 Please pass these on. Recall News (previous site, renamed) http://www.ironmountainmichigan.org/recall/ Iron Mountain Recall (new site) http://www.ironmountainrecall.com/ Committee for an Honest and Open Government in Iron Mountain 6-29-2008-03 To 6-25-2008-01, from your ongoing correspondent, This is the last energy I will waste on the trail, pit, hydrant drama. I was right, my intent was obvious to anyone not trying to read more into it, and it's silly to continue responding about it anymore. I will answer your last question, even though the answer to it was in the very first post - AND YOU KNOW IT - and that will be the end of it. Answer: I am not against trails. I am against the city gushing and cooing and spending money on things like that, when at the same time they are ignoring what they are doing to our essential services by robbing money from them to chase a pipe dream. That's it, in a nutshell. Stop trying to twist my spot-on assessment of that hydrant picture. Because it was spot-on. Here's a tip: Why don't you ask the city manager or one of your favorite councilmen if there were any city infrastructure problems - serious ones - last week? Things that SHOULD have been getting the attention of the council all along, but are shoved aside in favor of things like vibrant trails and moving forward? Or maybe you can wonder why Fed-Ex moved to Escanaba in the midst of all this miraculous "growth" we are experiencing? Or why Cummins closed its doors on Tuesday? Or why Tina Peterson was ignored with her energy ideas, and then we hear about a 250 million dollar energy plant going in 200 miles away while we are gushing and feinting and oohing and aahing and throwing the people's money at Steve Mariucci because he might create some minimum wage jobs with OUR money? Do you begin to see why I don't give a damn about that stupid trail right now? On a lighter note, I thought I had seen everything until I saw the end of post #6-25-2008-02. It's the one that talks about a person threatening to throw herself in front of one tree, while being the same person in charge of the project that cut down the trees by Chapin pit. Who would have thought there was such a thing as a "racist" tree-hugger? Ha ha ha. 6-29-2008-02 In reference to 6-27-08 6-29-2008-01
Re: 6-27-08=02
I am being patient with the pit
project as asked because it will take quite a while to
complete. I'm anticipating that it will look very nice,
although I'm just not sure if the inclusion of a picnic area is
the safest or most practical idea. I just find it odd that Mrs.
Bonicatto, who is very artistic and creative and working with a
landscape architect, would agree to tear down those trees down
and then fret over one or two trees on Millie Hill, where there
are hundreds to make way for the firsworks trailers to get
through. There is already a problem with the pit area where the
trees have been removed and the heavy rains we have had causing
the hill to wash out to some degree, so that the pipe needs to
be extended or the quick grow stuff they plan to plant will take
hold soon so more is not eroded. I am still waiting for a
definitive answer on whether or not our tradition of fireworks
will continue after the trail is complete..
6-27-2008-05 To 6-25-2008-01 Thank you for acknowledging that I did not speculate. It is a fault of mine that I am just a little too cynical with the facts sometimes, I guess, which obviously sparked your response. It is a fault of mine. And, no, I did not in any way mean to insinuate that the skid marks were the trail - in fact, I didn't even see the skid marks, but, only to highlight that the trail project in the background seems to be much more important than operating fire hydrants. I stand 100% by my intent, which you either misunderstood or tried very hard to undermine. Your latest post is nothing but a clever attempt to tell me I was right without seeming to do so. Thank you for putting the comments all together in your last post so others can see that, too. 6-27-2008-04 I just read the article in the Daily News Friday June 27th regarding the 250 million dollar Biofuel plant that will turn wood chips into cellulosic ethanol. The plant will be built in Sault Ste. Marie and raises awareness of another missed opportunity for this community. Tina Peterson has been trying to push for this type of development, only to receive nasty comments from Cauldell, Tchokreff and Burke. While the three of them continue to push to spend millions of tax dollars to get minimum wage “event center” jobs, critical funding is slipping away and location-seeking companies are passing us by. The State is spending 15 million to support the creation of these jobs, the 21st Century Jobs Fund is a $2 billion initiative conceived by Governor Granholm, approved by the Michigan Legislature, and administered by the Michigan Economic Development Corporation to accelerate the diversification of Michigan's economy. For more information, see the MEDC Web site at www.michigan.org. The problem is clear, Marquart and company like to hear themselves say they think big, that’s what is wrong in Iron Mountain, nothing but talk. It is time to think BIGGER, as Ms.Peterson has said and is doing. She took the time to meet Governor Granholm and discuss the State’s plan to rebuild Michigan’s motor. This is Michigan’s real direction, an effort that can create the quality jobs that support families. Caudell, Tchokreff and Burke are minimum scale thinkers with empty rhetoric and minimum wage ideas, RECALL them and move Iron Mountain into the real 21st century. The future is here; they have done nothing but tax and spend, then talk of how great they are. It’s time for change, before it is too late. 6-27-2008-03
Hi
6-25-2008-02
Interesting about the comments. But can you provide more
details about the project at the pit? Who do we contact for
details about it?
thanks
6-27-2008-02 The June 27, 2008 letter to the editor of The Daily News from Catherine M. Lundy of Beaverton, Colorado entitled “Events center much needed” brings to mind the adage that “there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.” Ms. Lundy’s claims to be “… unsure as to why this proposal is generating so much ill will and dissent among some community members.” This statement is disingenuous at best and certainly makes me wonder if she was asked to write in support of this project and then was spoon-fed information as to what to say in her letter. A reasonable person (one would think) would also look at the opposition to this project and discern why there is so much dissention and address those concerns; none of which Ms. Lundy did. All we see in her letter are ad nauseam references to Mr. Mariucci and company for hosting the charity golf tournament in Iron Mountain and all the good it has achieved. For raising money for charity, indeed, they are certainly to be commended. However, doing that event should not be a reason to open the flood gates of TIFA money, under priced land, and $800,000 parking lots paid for by the taxpayers. Ms. Lundy’s letter now makes me wonder if there is not a quid pro quo expectation that exists in all of this. I would hope my impressions are wrong but if you are giving of yourself and your celebrity on the one hand, and holding the other hand out waiting for it to fill with tax dollars, what else am I to believe? An author of an earlier post to this forum used the duck theory to evaluate the issues stating that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, by golly, it’s probably a duck! I sense a lot of quacking going on. 6-27-2008-01
This article was in
the Marquette paper. What happened to Iron Mountain's
"progress???"
FedEx moves in to EscanabaFacility has room for future expansion.
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. ESCANABA -- The new 29,000 square foot FedEx ground facility in Escanaba is finally up and running, after a move from Iron Mountain. FedEx outgrew their facility in Iron Mountain and they needed to build a new center that had room for expansion, so they moved to Escanaba. The $2.2 million facility opened its doors last week, with 15 new part-time jobs. Contractors began construction last August. "Coming to Escanaba centrally locates us and gives our customers in the nine counties that we serve, many more opportunities as far as delivery times and pick-up times, and it will help out all the FedEx customers," said Senior Manager, Gerald Schuster. The manager estimates they sort over 2,400 packages a day. 6-25-2008-02
I also heard Mrs. Caudell say at the
last meeting about why two or three trees (one of which is
already dead) among the hundreds on Millie Hill should not be
cut down to enable the trucks with the 40' trailers hauling the
fireworks to get to the site where they light the fireworks
without damaging trees or their vehicles as in the past because
"once it's cut down, it's gone forever." She went on to say
that once the trail was completed, that would be the end of
fireworks on Millie Hill. That comment was quickly smoothed
over by the mayor. I would like a definitive answer as to what
will be done with continuing the tradition of fireworks on
Millie Hill, so I have it in black and white.
I also found it unusual that the
person in charge of the project at the pit where all the trees
are being removed is the same person who threatened to stand in
front of a tree on Millie Hill to prevent it's removal and to
sue the city if it is removed.
6-25-2008-01 To 6-21-2008-01, from 6-17-2008-02 I have posted the comment trail below for easier reading of all comments. First your speculation was not irresponsible--it was your presenting it in a public forum without checking into the facts that was irresponsible. The plans are available for the public to see and inquire about. Yes the trail will begin near Hardees--but it will be on the Hardees side of the fence--not the pit side. That was where they came in and cleared out the trees along the pit. I wish they hadn't done that, but before I say much I need to learn why they did. The picture showed the skid marks on the opposite side of the fence--which means the information you gave was misleading. I say that because you didn't stop and ask before you tried to make people think that was the trail. When you said (It looks like that "vibrant", forward-moving new trail is in the background. Beautiful) That was not based on fact. It was based off of what you heard--but you didn't verify. You should called and asked before posting that. Beyond that your statement was a sarcastic statement--which typically does not accomplish much except build anomosity, when we should be trying to stop that. I did accuse you of all three things in that post--not as a person in general though--so please do not take it as a personal attack. I can tell you I have been guilty of the same in the past--everyone has. There is too much unverified posting going on here--and all it is doing is creating deeper and deeper divisions. Your statement was not right on the money--it was inaccurate because the trail was not in the background. The trail isn't even being constructed right now because they are in the process of applying for grants from the state, and success of the grants will determine sucess of the trail. I did have knowledge of the trail before I read your post--which is why I responded the way I did. Your post was based off of what you had heard and I believe you should have checked the validity of the claim you made before posting it on a public forum. I would not accuse you of lying unless I knew better. I do not know what Mrs. Caudell said at the last council meeting. I read the minutes and did not see that statement. If she said that I disagree with her because I do not see how having a trail to the scenic overlook would conflict with fireworks. If the city needed to close off the trail for a few days to accomodate that I have a hard time seeing what problems that could possibly cause. I will enquire about that, but I don't think you have anything to worry about there. Now what I am really curious about is what are the reasons you oppose such a trail? Assuming it is an asthetically pleasing pathway, safely on the other side of the fence, and pirmarily funded by grants and donations--what are your concerns here? Let me qualify this by also saying I really believe you have valid concerns that are worth hearing. Which I think is a great use for this board. thanks To 6-17-2008-02, from 6-14-2008-05 My "speculation" was irresponsible? Not hardly. The area in the background behind the fire hydrant picture is, in fact, the north edge of the pit, just off of Third Street. And yes, there has been real talk that this is where the trail will begin. So, NO, my post was not wrong, misleading, or giving false information, all three of which you accused me of doing. It was right on the money. You should not be accusing people of false information just because you have not heard the information yourself, until you saw it in my post. Speaking of trails, I suppose you will also accuse me of lying if I repeat what Mrs. Caudell said at the last council meeting, on not having our city fireworks launched off of Millie Hill anymore because of the trail system they want to put in. Sorry, I'd rather keep a LITTLE tradition around here! 6-17-2008-02
6-14-2008-05
I agree there should be no
writing in and picking on our public service individuals.
I think that fire hydrant
is in need of service--at least it its marked, we should
keep track of how long it is marked and not serviced.
That is not the trail in
the background. That is speculation on your part, and
unfortunately wrong and misleading speculation. Just
commenting like that is irresponsible because you are
purposely using false information to move forward your
view. There are two extremely differing points of view on
this site---and I am very neutral in my views and enjoy
reading arguments--especially arguments with official
documentation to back it up.
Just remember we are role
models to everyone around us. Lets keep our arguments
honorable. Lets keep as much emotion out of them as
possible--when we use too much emotion we fail to see the
other side's points and nothing will ever be accomplished
except anger.
Thanks
6-14-2008-05 If I'm not mistaken, that picture in post 6-12-2008-01 was taken at the north end of the east side Chapin pit. It looks like that "vibrant", forward-moving new trail is in the background. Beautiful. Our city in microcosm. I agree. That picture is a perfect example of why this recall is needed. We have neglected city infrastructure and services shoved aside for feel-good fluff all in one easy to see snapshot. PS - what's the deal with people writing in and picking on our policemen and firemen? Grow up. Sounds like you are either jealous or envious of them, or both. Just another example of someone trying to divert attention from the real problems in this city. 6-24-2008-05 Recent discussions on the public
forum have been at once interesting and frustrating, because the two
sides are talking past each other. The opponents of the current
city administration believe that the way to improve Iron Mountain
is, first of all, to make life better for the people who currently
live here by 1) attracting businesses well-suited to the community's
principally blue-collar labor force (such as alternative-energy
manufacturers) and 2) improving the degraded state of city services
(principally water quality, residential street and
alley maintenance, and fire protection). 6-24-2008-04
Back
some time ago, somebody wrote in about having too many police
officers in the area, as a former police officer in a large and
small city I might bring to your attention that it is, in some
cases, more dangerous to work in a small city vrs. a large one.
In a big city, a PO has quite a bit of back up with specialized
depts all over the place. In a small city, many times one might
be by theirself or with no backup available. Menominee, for
example, has a population of 9,151 with 15 fire fighters, 14
police officers and a auxillary police department of 14. IM and
Kingsford has a combined population of about 14,000. A manager
of a large store told me at anygiven time there could be 60,000
shopping in the malls from all over the area. We are fortunate
to have a reciprosity agreement between both citys. I don't
consider our area a small tiny city as some contend,....people
feel safer with more POs, not less.
6-24-2008-03
The writer of 6-20-2008-02 talked
about the reassessment investigation going from committee level
to a full blown meeting of the City Council. Does anyone know if
this meeting has been held? Was it a posted, open meeting; or
was this done behind closed doors to try to hush up the issue. I
don’t recall reading about or seeing a notice for such a
meeting.
6-24-2008-02
The person who posted the comment under 6-22-2008-01stated: “So
many young people in our area have taken up residence in
Chicago, my daughter being one of them. I know you are thinking
that we can't compare ourselves to other communities but Chicago
has it all, including wonderful parks, restaurants, retail,
manufacturing, etc.”
Well DUH! Of course Chicago has it all. Look at the area, the
population, the tax base, the personal incomes.
That statement made about as much sense as the one that Virginia
Feleppa made in a letter to the editor, published on Tuesday,
March 11, 2008, entitled: ‘The part we play’. In it she
stated, “Over the years I have wondered why this area was not
the regional medical center and did not have a university since
it is a more central area of the U.P. I would wager that local
infighting as is going on today, at both city and county levels,
stalled those initiatives long enough for the other communities,
Marquette and Escanaba, to establish themselves as regional
centers.”
Is she really so unaware why Iron Mountain is not the regional
medical center? We are not more centrally located. Marquette is
much closer to those in most areas of the U.P. People from
Houghton & Keweenaw counties are about 2 hours from Marquette,
but 2½ - 3 hours from here. Baraga, Schoolcraft, Alger…. In fact
all counties except perhaps Menominee, Delta & Iron counties are
closer to Marquette. In addition, Iron Mountain is too close to
Green Bay to prevent those nearer to us from opting for the
expanded medical choices that are offered there.
Escanaba has neither a big medical facility nor a university.
They have a community college. Community colleges do not ‘grow’
a city. They are exactly was their name indicates…. A college
for the people of the community (or nearby). Just look at
Gogebic County. They have had a community college for decades,
yet you don’t see people flocking to locate there.
So, I would venture to say that it had nothing to do with
stalled initiatives. Until and unless we are somehow going to
miraculously grow more land and expand to the populations in
Marquette or Green Bay, we are not going to have the things that
the bigger cities can offer. Sure we can grow. Hopefully we can
even have things that attract people to our area; but for now,
until we have a viable infrastructure, we will remain a ‘drive
thru’ city.
I see so much written about enticing business to come here by
throwing our local tax dollars at the problem; but; please keep
I mind, if those business people are going to want to locate
here, some of them will also have to live here. That means that
they will want a functional city with drivable streets and
adequate services, and they won’t want to see their tax dollars
being squandered. In order to draw in businesses, you have to
draw in residents; and our city is not looking like a
resident-friendly city.
People like parks and flowers; but they aren’t going to locate
here for them, while the streets are riddled with potholes, and
money is spent to help private business. In fact, once they hear
about the lucrative deal that has been offered to one promising
business venture, they’ll all want the same kind of deal. Iron
Mountain is setting a dangerous precedent that will drive future
investors away if they aren’t offered a similar incentive.
And what a slap-in-the face this has been to those businesses
that struggled on their own to make a place in Iron Mountain.
What incentive have we for them to remain here? I’m tired of the
praise this administration gets for the few businesses that have
come in recently…. What about the scores that have closed or
moved?
So, yes, dream big! We all like to dream… of bigger homes, newer
cars, more exciting toys or adventures; but, if we have any
sense, we don’t rush out and spend money we don’t have to
acquire them and let our families starve. We first provide the
necessities so that we’ll be healthy enough to enjoy the perks
when we can reasonably acquire them. So, too, Iron Mountain
needs to get back to providing the necessities. Until we are
again a healthy city, we cannot afford the perks. Once we have a
viable city that is inviting to outsiders, perhaps those extras
will come.
6-24-2008-01 No comparison to Chicago was made. 6-23-2008-08 Post 6-23-2008-04 is a
little confused between tax abatement and
TIFA spending for private sector investments. 6-23-2008-07 But - 2 points need to
be remembered: 6-23-2008-06 To the writer of 6-23-2008-03, from 6-22-2008-04 Your point is well made, but I must respectfully disagree with you for reasons beyond what you mention. Using our limited resources to fund a private convention center idea is not the best way to use our very limited money.. If, on the other hand, we were using that TIFA money, or other city funds to help establish a business like those mentioned in post 6-23-2008-04, I would be all for it. The difference is the quality of the jobs created, which is what this area truly and desperately needs. I would even concede your point that having the parks, trails, restaurants, etc., does help, but it is still not the best way to spend our tax money. Your way will have the new business owners patronizing all of the establishments mentioned, but the workers will just be struggling to survive.. Just like what is happening right now. Now, on to other reasons you fail to acknowledge. I will continue to believe "common" sense is the best sense. Your "extraordinary" sense is what got this city in the mess it is in now. I don't believe we should be gambling with our tax money, hoping for the big payoff. It's just plain irresponsible. That is how I see the last four years of city government. Irresponsible, wasteful, neglectful of basic needs, law-breaking, and yes, even bullying to get their way. This is not good government in any sense of the word, common or extraordinary. I also don't see how it is helpful to attract anyone to our area by practically destroying the effectiveness of our city services by cutting their budgets to have more money available for things like trails, or helping millionaires fund their private businesses. Who in their right mind would come here if they knew how irresponsible the city has been about its own services to its citizens? The extraordinary sense, "outside-the-box" thinking shunted aside warnings and expert advice on what they were doing to our services. When you make your point, you fail to mention these things. They happened. They are still happening. The city is falling apart and the council has ignored both employee and citizen warnings about it. That is the other half of what is going on, aside from the fluffy rhetoric and "moving forward", and BIG IDEAS, and acorns and the like. That other half is what makes this city tick, and it has been ignored to the point where we are about to break. What good are the parks and restaurants, motels and convention centers, etc., if we don't have properly paved streets, people to maintain the water and sewer systems, effective police and fire protection? Your point is nearly moot because of this other side of the coin that is very real, and very grim after four years of "moving forward." 6-23-2008-05
Hi
I heard from a another landlord that
at the last landlord meeting the landlords were told about a
process where when fixing up their rentals they would receive
75% as a grant and 25% would be a loan. Could someone please
elaborate as I was not as the last meeting.
Thank you
6-23-2008-04 • Cadillac Rubber & Plastics Inc. will invest $7.6 million to upgrade its manufacturing facilities in Cadillac and Manton. The project will result in the retention of 1,122 Michigan jobs, including 565 directly by the company. A state Single Business Tax credit worth more than $5.3 million over seven years helped convince the company to choose Michigan over a competing site in Mexico. To support the project, the cities of Cadillac and Manton are considering 12-year tax abatements valued at $62,000 and $46,000, respectively.New Wind Industry Supplier for AlpenaThe company would be operated as part of Allegheny Technologies Inc. Casting Service, an Allegheny Technologies Incorporated company. ATI Casting Service manufactures grey and ductile iron castings for wind energy and other markets. The project is expected to create 368 new Michigan jobs, including 150 directly by the company. A state tax credit valued at more than $1.8 million over seven years helped convince the company to pursue the Michigan facility instead of a site in Indiana. The city of Alpena has approved a nine-year abatement worth $1.6 million to support the project.Brose Group, the leading manufacturer of mechatronic components and systems for vehicle bodies and interiors, has recently announced expansion of North American headquarters in Auburn Hills. In addition, they have announced the ground breaking on a new facility, Brose Jefferson, located in Warren. These decisions follow the governor’s investment mission to Germany last year which included meetings with company leaders at the Brose headquarters in Coburg. In total, Brose will invest some $23 million in the projects. Based on the MEDC’s recommendation, MEGA approved a state tax credit valued at $7.4 million over seven years which helped persuade the company to choose Michigan over competing states for the new facility. The projects are expected to create a total of approximately 500 positions within the next five to seven years and generate up to 1,317 additional spin-off jobs in the state. To support the projects, the city of Warren has approved a 10-year abatement worth $662,000 and the city of Auburn Hills is considering an eight-year abatement worth $457,000. These are just a few of the business, state wide, that have decided to grow or start business in Michigan. As you can see, the communities that they have chosen are making concessions. Don't think for one minute that the people investing in the Iron Mountain Event Center are not using their own resources. After all they are called investors. Go to www.mi.gov and click the MEDC link to see what other efforts are being made by the state and the local governments to attract business to their areas. You will also find businesses other than manufacturing. 6-23-2008-03
To the writer of 6-22-2008-04,
YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG,
In this day and age in order to
attract GOOD Jobs and RETAIN those that fill them all those
things must come first. Because the people qualified to fill
those jobs decide WHERE they want to go not only based on the
job but on the opportunities the community provides the job
holder and their families. Take a brief survey of high tech
businesses in the U.P. region and you will find that recruiting
and more importantly, RETAINING, quality high tech employees is
the biggest problem facing the high tech company. The lack of
opportunity surrounding the job is the determining factor in
whether or not a quality employee comes or more importantly
remains. Doctors, manufacturing, high tech, all face the same
issues.
So you see, your "common sense" is
just that, common. Not bad, not dumb, just common. What we need
here is "extraordinary sense" We have a tough market to sell to
employers, employees AND their families. "Common" sense is not
enough. We need to go beyond that thinking in order to create
what our community needs.
6-23-2008-02
comparing Iron Mountain to Chicago,
is just plain silly!!!!!
6-23-2008-01
I have been reading all the back and
forth comments on the Mariucci project and have spent a lot of
time thinking about it. It is great that the home town boys
come back to town and use their fame to help raise funds for
various projects. I think however, that this is an
entirely different situation. I can't imagine that when various
football players in Green Bay, including Brett Favre, built new
businesses in the area that the City of Green Bay helped to
finance them. These players also give a lot back to their
community. Think about it!!
Why should the city help to finance a business for anyone, well known or not? When profits are realized from the business will a percentage be given back to the city?
I don't think so!! We need to hold
the same standards to every party that inquires as to building a
business or developing land in our area. If you start making
exceptions, don't you think it would only be fair to do the same
for everyone? That would be a foolish idea, now wouldn't
it. Lets put this in perspective, helping to fund raise is far
different than building a business that a party will profit
from. If they truly wish to help this community it should be
with no strings attached. We should not make the mistake of
treating potential businesses differently. Big or small, well
known or not, we need all of them to help us grow the community.
6-22-2008-05 I don't know who to
thank for the site: www.michigan.com but thank you to whoever. It
is a great site and has peaked my interest. It has a great deal of
information about cities in Michigan regarding travel and events.
6-22-2008-04 I have news for writers of the mindset shown in post 6-22-2008-01. If you want this City to grow, as I'm sure you do as much as I do, the parks, restaurants, motels, and retail stores come AFTER manufacturing and industry are again firmly established. It is common sense. Over the years, our area has suffered the loss of the mines, huge lumber industry, the Ford manufacturing plant, and now the paper mill, to mention the most noteworthy I can think of off the top of my head. When our area was first established, a group of people did not show up here and say, "Gee, this is a nice area. I'll bet if we built some parks, trails, restaurants, and opened some motels and stores, people would move here." We are in a manufacturing and industrial slump. That's what we truly need if you want this area to grow. We have very limited resources to attract and hold companies that will provide the good paying jobs necessary for anyone to actually move here. That's what is needed more than anything. So it just does not make sense to blow our whole wad on this convention center. It's not that I'm against the center, I think it's great. It's that we NEED that money to attract good paying jobs to the area. It is taxpayer money, after all. We are taking the risk for that venture and will have nothing to show for it even if it is a resounding success. HOW CAN YOU MARQUART, VANLAANEN, CAUDELL, BURKE, AND TCHOKREFF SUPPORTERS NOT UNDERSTAND THIS MOST BASIC OF CONCEPTS? 6-22-2008-03 Yes, grants are generated from taxes paid by all the citizen of the state. If we don't go after them, then someone else in the state will and they will get tax money back that was paid in. We always complain up here that all of our tax money goes downstate. Well, then go and get it back in the form of a grant. 6-22-2008-02 If Mr. Mariucci and Mr. Varda want to build an event center let them. Let that Acorn grow. Let them dream big as they want. Just use their own money to do it, not tax payer money!!!! Use your own Acorn!!!!!
I found it interesting what TIFA money can't be used for: Projects that would not be eligible would be those that are not public facilities, would not serve the public in general, or would occur outside the boundaries of the TIFA district. I have a hard time using TIFA money or Grant money, (yes Mrs. Cuadell grant money comes from taxpayers) to fund a private venture. 6-22-2008-01 The greatest achievements were at first and for a time dreams. The oak sleeps in the acorn.
James Allen 6-21-2008-04 Where a TIFA exists, the board of the TIFA may prepare a development plan and a tax increment finance plan to present to, and to be approved by, the governing body of the municipality. Once the municipal governing body has adopted the plans, the TIFA will begin realizing the revenues from improvements to property within the area covered by the development plan. This revenue must be expended only within the development area of the plan and only for the improvements and public facilities described in the plan. The TIFA, or the municipality on behalf of the TIFA, is obligated to file an annual report with the State Tax Commission regarding the receipt and expenditure of TIFA revenue and the school tax revenues captured and retained by the TIFA. The projects in a development plan must be public facilities and include streets, plazas, pedestrian malls and/or any improvements to public facilities including: furniture, beautification, parks, parking facilities, schools, libraries and other public institutions. Bridges, lakes, canals, utility lines, pipelines and other similar facilities are also included. Projects that would not be eligible would be those that are not public facilities, would not serve the public in general, or would occur outside the boundaries of the TIFA district. This information can me found on the State of Michigan's website. Search TIFA. 6-21-2008-03 Please enlighten me and relieve me of my naivete. Who is the TIFA? My dad was a member of that board at one time gut unfortunately I failed to pick his brain about the facts. Where did it begin, who developed it and what were the goals set forth upon its inception? Has it realized these goals? Some of us do want the facts. 6-21-2008-02 Hmm . . . on that broken hydrant picture, the running score is: City services and infrastructure - 3 Trails, wasting taxpayer money, nifty catch phrases, etc. - 4 . . . and not changing anytime soon unless the recall effort is effective. 6-21-2008-01 To 6-17-2008-02, from 6-14-2008-05 My "speculation" was irresponsible? Not hardly. The area in the background behind the fire hydrant picture is, in fact, the north edge of the pit, just off of Third Street. And yes, there has been real talk that this is where the trail will begin. So, NO, my post was not wrong, misleading, or giving false information, all three of which you accused me of doing. It was right on the money. You should not be accusing people of false information just because you have not heard the information yourself, until you saw it in my post. Speaking of trails, I suppose you will also accuse me of lying if I repeat what Mrs. Caudell said at the last council meeting, on not having our city fireworks launched off of Millie Hill anymore because of the trail system they want to put in. Sorry, I'd rather keep a LITTLE tradition around here! 6-20-2008-02 I heard something disturbing at the end of the last council meeting. Dave Farragh had been working on the reassessment investigation and felt he was at a point where an attorney should become involved. Fair enough. He looked into it in our best interests, and he must have found something very disturbing. Gee, no surprise there. Now, the more disturbing part. Eden Caudell then piped in with her opinion that the whole council should look into it first. Really, I say? Then why didn't you look at it before, when there was a huge uproar about it - when it was happening, Mrs. Caudell? Maybe all those ticked off residents at past council meeting had a real issue there that you consistently blew off? And, then gave Marquart a bonus last year right after that, if I recall correctly? Then the mayor spoke up and said something about maybe getting the city attorney involved in Caudell's suggested meeting, and then something vague about John Marquart coming up with some kind of report for the council to view. You gotta be kidding! Marquart, Vanlaanen, and Caudell, who all spoke up with suggestions that will do nothing but delay this getting out of their control ALL were sitting there controlling things when this reassessment thing blew up. Having them make suggestions now, or even be involved in the investigation at this point, is like having Bill Clinton investigate the Monica Lewinski affair and then give his recommendation on whether of not there were any discrepancies in his behavior. My prediction is that if they have this supposed meeting they will vote 4 to 3 to end the investigation. Wouldn't that be a peach? What happens then? Witch hunt my a**! 6-20-2008-01 As long as we're in the
mode of tossing quotes around, including the "thinking big" ones,
let me toss in one of my own. 6-18-2008-01 Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood and probably themselves will not be realized. Make big plans; aim high in hope and work, remembering that a noble, logical diagram once recorded will not die, but long after we are gone be a living thing, asserting itself with ever-growing insistence.6-17-2008-03 Thanks to Bruce Rosen
for his excellent post -6-17-2008-01. He did a fine job of
explaining in clear concise language a number of the many serious
problems facing the city and proposed solutions for them. Bruce has
repeatedly show by word and by deed that he will be a truth breath
of fresh air with new ideas, practical ideas, that will serve the
city well. 6-17-2008-02
6-14-2008-05
I
agree there should be no writing in and picking on our public
service individuals.
I
think that fire hydrant is in need of service--at least it its
marked, we should keep track of how long it is marked and not
serviced.
That is not the trail in the background. That is speculation on
your part, and unfortunately wrong and misleading speculation.
Just commenting like that is irresponsible because you are
purposely using false information to move forward your view.
There are two extremely differing points of view on this
site---and I am very neutral in my views and enjoy reading
arguments--especially arguments with official documentation to
back it up.
Just remember we are role models to everyone around us. Lets
keep our arguments honorable. Lets keep as much emotion out of
them as possible--when we use too much emotion we fail to see
the other side's points and nothing will ever be accomplished
except anger.
Thanks
6-17-2008-01 Knowledge is the key! During the June 2, 2008 city council meeting, and then in a letter to the editor in the Daily News, Joan Game leveled numerous charges against me. I will address each as they were presented. Mrs. Game stated. ”As an observer at that budget meeting, I realized that 3/7 of the council does not seem to understand what a budget is. A budget is a tool to help guide one in making decisions, it is a guide. It is not set in stone.” My response. Our city council is mandated by our city charter, Sec. 8.6 Budget Control, to provide for any and all unanticipated appropriations during our fiscal year. With the recently passed budget, our city has just over $10,000.00 for this contingency fund. Our city charter prohibits any appropriations that exceed this contingency fund. I have stated many times during our budget meetings and council meetings that this contingency fund is grossly under funded. Fairly stated, we can and have amended our budget many times throughout our history, however I disagree with the direction we are headed. Our general fund balance has been declining at an alarming rate. In fiscal year ending 06-07 we had $917,210.00. In the projected budget at the end of our fiscal year 09-10 we will have $232,079.00 left in our general fund. We can spend millions of dollars in an attempt to enhance our tax base and with hope of creating economic development, however, if we go bankrupt prior to that, what has been accomplished? We must have a sound financial structure as a city, this is what I am attempting to gain. Our city budget sets forth a numerical picture of our financial future. Our city budget is one of the most important tools we as a city council utilize. Mrs. Game it appears that you do not possess either the pertinent numbers or facts to understand the financial jeopardy our city faces. To take our city budget lightly, which you apparently do, is a big mistake. It will continue the downward spiral until there is no remedy possible. Mrs. Game stated. “Bruce Rosen used the words, “logic must remain intact here as a council” in talking about his idea of a TIFA pass through. He spent quite a bit of the time going on about the TIFA budget until city attorney, Jerry Pirkola pointed out the TIFA Board is autonomous. Council member Rosen, who is also the council liaison to the TIFA board, did not know this.” My response. The TIFA board is not autonomous. The city council can at any time disengage TIFA. When the TIFA was created, the council at that time along with the TIFA board had to approve a TIFA Plan, which they did. Anytime there is a project or land acquisition not provided for in the original TIFA Plan, the TIFA board must request an amendment be approved by the city council and hold a public hearing with regard to that amendment. Mrs. Game stated. “Bruce Rosen’s idea of having the TIFA Board give the city a $1 million dollar pass through seems very fiscally irresponsible.”
“If
we were to follow his line of thought, one half of that one million
dollars, which is $500,000, the city would not see, that half would
be passed on to the county and the state, no longer available for
economic growth here in Iron Mountain.” My response. I feel not passing through funds to begin street repair and bolster our general fund is ignoring our financial responsibility as a council. TIFA has budgeted for all the projects that have been conceived and are currently at some stage of development. At the end of FY10-11, TIFA will end with a balance of $1,503,911. With the condition of our streets and our general fund decline, a $1,000,000.00 pass through only makes sense. Nothing has been done regarding a formal plan for street repairs for many years. In my opinion, our streets are an embarrassment to our city. It is true that when we pass through TIFA funds our net affect is 50%. The more important issue here is the current and future financial needs of our city. Keeping our city financially viable with a pass through is more important than not passing TIFA funds though. Let me provide an example that we can all relate to; if your family had $1,000.00 left in your savings account, and a mortgage payment of $350.00 per month, would you invest your savings account in the stock market with aspirations of paying your future mortgage with your investment? Mrs. Game stated. “Doing so would have been a very short term Band-Aid for the city when looking at the bigger picture and completely defeats the intent of TIFA. His concept of bringing business in is to help them with the permit process and to “loosen our ordinances,” meanwhile he proudly states he will scrutinize every step of the Mariucci project. Where is the logic?” My response. I don’t see where bolstering our declining general fund and finally starting a street repair program could be termed a “Band-Aid” for our city. During a council meeting I presented five letters from various business owners who outlined their problems when attempting to build or expand their businesses in Iron Mountain. This has been a serious problem and is being addressed. Yes, I do want to streamline this process but not at the expense of infringing upon our ordinances. The planning board has taken this situation very seriously and in my opinion is doing an outstanding job. Regarding the Varda – Mariucci project, which like any commercial development in our city, must be financially viable for all concerned parties, including the City of Iron Mountain. We must treat all commercial development in our city the same. I guarantee, I will argue strongly against our city spending millions for any project that does not produce a tax base with positive cash flow, or creates a financial burden. Simply put, this is the logic. Bruce Rosen Iron Mountain City Council Member 6-14-2008-06
"If you hate a person, you hate
something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of
ourselves doesn't disturb us."
Hermann Hesse
6-14-2008-05 If I'm not mistaken, that picture in post 6-12-2008-01 was taken at the north end of the east side Chapin pit. It looks like that "vibrant", forward-moving new trail is in the background. Beautiful. Our city in microcosm. I agree. That picture is a perfect example of why this recall is needed. We have neglected city infrastructure and services shoved aside for feel-good fluff all in one easy to see snapshot. PS - what's the deal with people writing in and picking on our policemen and firemen? Grow up. Sounds like you are either jealous or envious of them, or both. Just another example of someone trying to divert attention from the real problems in this city. 6-14-2008-04 I am the writer of post number 6-7-2008-02 In that post, I made reference to my personal opinion that the Games are wonderful people. After reading Joan Games' letter in the newspaper, it is with much regret that I must now retract that statement in relation to Joan Game. She has had every opportunity to research any claims made by anyone in support of the recall. The documentation is there, otherwise NO ONE would be supporting the recall. Instead, she has apparently chosen to believe what she is told, rather than finding the facts for herself, like responsible people should before they write in to the paper with their opinion. Sorry, Mrs. Game, but you just lost all of my respect. All of it. I'm trying very hard to reserve that type of judgment toward Mr. Game, but with this caveat: It is obvious that the current power-holders in Iron Mountain government are undesirable, with many undesirable traits, attitudes, and actions. I will end any business relations with anyone who continues to support Marquart, Vanlaanen, Tchokreff, Burke, and Caudell without checking and giving credit to the facts of why this recall is happening. It's not good business to deal with this type of people; it's that simple. "Birds of a feather flock together" did not become a cliche for nothing, you know. I would feel differently if the facts were not so readily available, and for as long as they have been. I've had enough of this crap. You people need to wake up and see what is really happening. I have no sympathy for anyone who, at this stage in the game, has yet to check facts instead of blindly supporting they know not what. And, I refuse to support them by doing business with them. Thank you. 6-14-2008-03
I was amazed at the Speak Out column
this morning in which the writer stated that Mr. Mariucci was
met with "sheer rudeness" during his presentation to the City
Council on his plans for an events center. I attended that
particular meeting and saw no uncivil, impudent, impertinent
reaction to Mr. Mariucci. On the contrary, everyone listened
attentively, hoping actually to hear some details as promised,
but learned nothing new. Seven months after the announcement of
this plan for Iron Mountain, there is still no written
commitment from Mr. Mariucci that he will proceed. Invest his
money? I wish. There was neither any mention of "his money"
nor that of his investors in his presentation. There was
mention of a possible state grant, 20% for which the city would
be responsible. This grant would be dependent upon a certain
number of guaranteed jobs. If that requirement is not met, is
the city then liable for the other 80% of the million to million
and a half dollar grant. No guarantee was given. No mention of
what types of jobs would be available was given.. Are the
great majority to be minimum wage? According to Mr. Mariucci,
this is a project that has been in process for two years, yet
many of the feasibility studies are incomplete according to Mr.
Mariucci. The only completed study is that it is not feasible
to have another motel/hotel here, so that eliminates that part
of the project. The only money directed to this plan is in our
city budget to the tune of millions of dollars and to the
neglect of the rest of the needs of the city. Just because
everyone present at the meeting was not fawning over Iron
Mountain's idol like teenage girls at a rock concert, as many
were, does not equate with "sheer rudeness." I am for this
project going forward; I just feel that there should be no
preferential treatment for Mr. Mariucci over any other business
developer. There is so much in the city that screams for
attention, but for which there are no funds.
Mr. Mariucci did say that he was not
part of any casino project. There have been no further rumors
about that since his statement. The writer should be aware,
however, that there was a letter sent to the Chippewas of
Watersmeet from the Department of Interior, of which there is a
copy, stating that they were taking no further action on their
application from two years ago for a casino in Iron Mountain due
to the fact that the application was incomplete. There was no
council person who did not support Mr. Mariucci in this
endeavor, although the comment was made that the financial
details would be scrutinized for the good of the city, as should
happen.
You can see sheer rudeness at the
City Council meetings, however, where you have incumbents
telling the three newer members to "Get with the program!' or
"You're a snake."
6-14-2008-02 I haven't heard anything
about the reassessment investigation that the city council ordered
almost two months ago. 6-14-2008-01 Who paid for that water
line through Champion, Inc. property from near their new office
building off the Traders Mine Road straight to US-2, all of it on
their property? 6-13-2008-01
Joan Game says that “A budget is a
tool to help guide one in making decisions, it is a guide. It is
not set in stone.” That can be true only to a point. Yes, I’m
sure most of us take from one area or another of our budget in
order to make ends meet elsewhere; but you cannot plan a budget
with money that you ‘hope’ you might have. You cannot plan ahead
to pay for necessities with money that you only speculate you
might have by the time it’s needed.
All I can say is, if this is the
“Game” way of practical budgeting, I guess I know where I
won’t be going for financial planning!
6-12-2008-02
6-12-2008-01 ANOTHER REASON WE NEED THE RECALL:
6-11-2008-03
To 6-9-2008-06
Thank you and God bless.
6-11-2008-02
Does the state amend its budget
during the fiscal year? Do the public schools amend their
budgets during the fiscal year? Do family households amend
their budgets during the year? I know that I have to amend my
household budget each year and especially now with rising
costs. I also know that the state amends' its budget every year
and because of this the public schools have to adjust theirs. I
do not profess to be an economic genius, but I have gone to the
school of hard knocks and have learned a great deal. My father
died suddenly when I was 9 years old. We went from one income
to no income. My mother really had to adjust so off to work she
went. Did our budget change? You bet. Many unforeseen
circumstances are going to lead to budget changes. This is a
way of life.
I am a teacher and have bargained
union contracts several times. Did we have to make
concessions? Yes, we did. The raises I now get do not cover
the cost of the insurance that I have to pay each month. That
will change again in July when I will pay more than I am now.
My district is not alone in this. Many school districts across
the state are reaching the same agreements. We still maintain
and hire quality teachers. More school and personal budget
changes. A budget is just that, a road map to help us all
determine what we have to work with. Sometimes we can amend for
the better and put more into savings and other times we may have
to change in the opposite direction.
6-11-2008-01
To the new council members,
Dave, Tina and Bruce,
Please do not allow the
incumbents, Game, Kramer, Feleppa and some large corporate
CEO's with big money to influence you as to fighting for
what is right with this city.
I know it gets very
discouraging to see these people totally ignore
documented facts and truths that have been provided
to them and twist them into distortions and untruths, but
you have to remember that they
are a part of the problem!
They are as guilty of dividing
and destroying this city as the past mayor, present manager
and past council members and someday these people will also
feel the affects and regret their support leading to the
destruction of such a great city!
(It will take years to rebuild
the trust of the people again, but you 3 members can help
bring that about if you continue to persevere!)
I wish I knew what power
Marquart has over these people to cause them to give up and
compromise their personal integrity and self
worth as citizens in this community but truly
He has managed to do that!
They have sold themselves and
this city out for 15 minutes of fame! Articles in the paper,
comments at council meetings, snears at other people
who express their own views at council meetings and
on this web site! The respect I once had for these people
has disappeared with their personal self
interests, ignorance and ignoring of the facts!
They simply do not care
about the truth!
A right to their opinion,
absolutely! ---- The right to support unlawful acts and
charter violations when given the documented facts, ---
absolutely not!
What goes around, comes around
for these people!
One upset citizen who knows what
is going on!!
6-10-2008-06
To: 6-9-2008-02
You might find a lot of agreement
with the last sentence of your post.
6-10-2008-05 Joan Game’s allegations at the council meeting – The Spin Machine at work. At the June 2, 2008 city council meeting, Joan Game leveled numerous charges against Bruce Rosen, Dave Farragh and Tina Peterson. This is nothing more than attempting to put forth a defense by mounting an offensive. Mrs. Game, if you are so enlightened, please explain all the charges brought forth against your local hero Mr. Marquart, during his review. Mrs. Game stated that the three new council members didn’t understand what a budget is. She stated it is a guide and not set in stone. Mrs. Game charged Dave Farragh with not accepting a budget with money we have no assurances of gaining. If a city budget is only a guide and not set in stone then why would our city charter mandate that the city council adhere to an adopted budget. Why would the budget have to be amended each of the last four years if it were “just a guide”. Our city budget is one of the most critical issues that that our city faces each year. It lays the financial foundation for where we are going as a city. Our financial map (our budget) sets forth all capital improvements, year over year comparative figures for various segments of our city operations, expenses, and revenues. Our budget is our pulse, our heartbeat, and our future. Therefore it is imperative that we consider our budget very seriously. It seems that you are taking our budget as lightly as the rest of the council. This is why we are in trouble now. This year our budget was adopted by a 4 – 3 vote. We have just over $10,000.00 to cover any unforeseen or under budgeted items within our budget. This equates to 2/1000 of a percent as our contingency fund. Consider the rental housing ordinance and the budgeted revenue of $40,000.00. This may or may not happen, however, the last two budgets that were adopted did contain this revenue stream that was not gained. In the preceding two years, $100,000 was budgeted for that help create a tremendous budget shortfall. Consider the tower rental fees that were budgeted for $25,000 that we have no idea if this can be realized as income. Mr. Farragh couldn’t be more correct and fiscally responsible. Mrs. Game, you chastised Bruce Rosen for attempting to pass through $1,000,000.00 from the TIFA fund to start repairing our streets and create a contingency fund. (The contingency fund was addressed above.) Our infrastructure is the foundation of our city. If our foundation is weak how can we build anything on top of that. We have not addressed the condition of our streets for many years now. As pointed out, according to the TIFA budget, when TIFA sunsets in 2011 we will have a balance of $1,500,000.00. This budget has within it all the projected funds to assist the Varda – Mariucci project to become a reality. If we start our street repair program this year, we will do so with $740,000.00, if the pass through would occur. Eden Caudell stated in the council meeting the she didn’t want to set the precedent. With her thought process we’ll be assured dirt paths for streets in the future. But we will have a very nice convention center, although we will need an ATV to get there. Please tell us, Mrs. Game, what would you do with the $1,500,000.00 of TIFA funds to expand our commercial base? Mrs. Game stated the city attorney corrected Bruce Rosen by stating that the TIFA board is autonomous. She also commented on the philosophical differences between council members, regarding the city’s direction. We are suffering financially as a city, keep in mind that the council has the ability to shut TIFA down to experience the positive revenue stream. The TIFA Board has not acted in accordance with the TIFA plan. They have acquired property that is not in the plan and “invested funds” outside the TIFA district. They needed both council approval and a public hearing on these issues. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN – THIS IS ILLEGAL!!!! In reference to the philosophical differences, everyone who attends the council meetings can see they are very different. Should we be in the business of land speculation and commercial development – no we are a city not a corporation in that business. We should do everything reasonable to enable commercial development by commercial developers. The Varda-Mariucci project should be put to the test of financial viability. Thankfully, this is the way it should be. Why is there such a hidden agenda regarding this development. If everything is just and appropriate the public would embrace and applaud this project. Something smells fishy here – just can’t wait for full disclosure on this one. Mrs. Game stated that the new council member’s concept of helping business grow in our community is to loosen our ordinances and help them through the permit process. It is no secret that it takes often times THREE to FOUR MONTHS to gain appropriates permits by businesses building or expanding into Iron Mountain. 5 letters were presented at a council meeting, from various business owners who experienced just that. I have never heard the new council members state they wanted to “loosen our ordinances”. Our ordinances are written very poorly. Our permitting process is very inconsistent and often times unequal in the issuance. This whole process needs to be reviewed and adjusted dramatically. We have shown that our city is not a business friendly environment, unless you have national recognition, then we’ll give you millions to support any idea you have. By the way Kingsford will issue a permit in a few days not months. Mrs. Game harangued Tina Peterson for addressing the idea of alternative energy ideas for our city, compared to the Varda – Mariucci convention center. Tina is thinking outside the box, which is a refreshing change. If she can pull this off, we will have an employer who will pay an actual living wage. Unlike the convention center that will employee 95% minimum wage people. 35 minimum wage people is not really adding to our tax base, they can’t afford rent much less a home. Thank goodness we now have three new council members who do understand fiscal responsibility. Without the recall being successful, I am very concerned for the future of our city. THE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ADOPTED THIS BUDGET THAT WILL HAVE TO BE AMENDED AGAIN THIS YEAR WERE PRAISED BY YOU. Please do not consider running for the city council. The comments you made at the council meeting will haunt you. Besides, we don’t need a fifth person saying, “forget the past and move forward”. Forward to what, a ghost town with a convention center. What say you? 6-10-2008-04
To: "Question for all of you out
there. What do you think of the idea of city employees being
able to retire at age 50 and you the taxpayer footing the bill
for their health benefits for their lifetime?"
I cannot speak for those employees that come under the unions.
Those retirement plans are controlled under the union
bargaining; so that's in the hands of the bargaining committees.
As for the Administrative employees… first of all, can you name
anyone who retired at age 50? I can't think of any. Their
retirement age was always determined by number of years worked
plus chronological age had to total eighty years.
Recently there were at least a couple of people that opted for an earlier retirement because their families stood to lose health benefits that they had counted on. If the council, and Marquart, hadn't done this to a few people who were nearing retirement, we wouldn't be paying double insurance benefits for a few positions. Had these few not been "forced" to take early retirement, they would still be working. Instead we are paying their insurance and insurance for those who replaced them.
Municipalities have historically paid these added benefits to
their employees because it drew in the better quality employees
and kept them there. It's not the retirees fault that insurance
rates have skyrocketed. In many cases these retirees were
willing to forego raises and other benefits throughout their
employment in order to retain the insurance benefit for
retirement. Yes, perhaps things must change for future
retirement plans ; but you cannot expect to take them away from
those who bargained in good faith for many years to have them.
They can't, at this stage in their lives, make other plans.
It's no different in other branches of government either. Our
taxes pay for state and federal retiree benefits as well. If you
eliminate these benefits for current retirees, you lose the
trust of everyone you hire from now on. Without assurance that
you are a trustworthy employer, you will not draw in a quality
employee. I'd rather pay the benefits and draw in workers who
are worth keeping.
I'm tired of hearing complaints about retiree benefits, while recent councils have not hesitated to pay bonuses to John Marquart, pay hundreds of thousands for a failed re-assessment, and millions for private companies to benefit from.
And no, I'm not a retiree or friend or relative of any council
member. I'm just a senior woman who'd like to see some quality
and sensibility return to the workings of my city. I don't like
taxes. No one does. But I am willing to pay for quality in city
services, just as I would for quality merchandise.
6-10-2008-03
6/4/08 -01
I
saw a map of what I assume is the proposed trail near Chapin
Pit. The trail would actually stay away from the pit and a
large portion of it would actually be on the other side of Park
Ave (I think its Park Ave that goes past the Bat Cave and down
toward the park. It would cross Park Ave at the Bat Cave
Parking lot and then head out to the scenic overlook. Unless
we're talking about a different trail this one actually steers
clear of the pit and works its way to the Bat Cave. I actually
would like to see this trail continue past the Iron Mountain
Scenic Overlook and switch back its way right into downtown.
6-10-2008-02 Post 6-6-2008-01 on TIFA
was a great post. Also go into the link offered by that writer and
read about TIFA's all over the state and beyond and see signs of the
corruption that has taken place in some of them. 6-10-2008-01 Let me bud in to the
conversations post 6-9-2008-02 has been carrying on. If TIFA could
spend the money wisely until it expires on June 30, 2011, I would be
all for it. 6-9-2008-02
My comment regarding a council
member's suggestion to breaking the city charter was not clearly
understood by my attacker. What I was alluding to was the
criticism directed toward previous councils for unlawfully
breaking the city charter and now this new council member
suggested doing the very same thing that he criticized others
for doing. That was my point.
As for being juvenile in thinking,
apparently this is the arena for that.
Question for all of you out there.
What do you think of the idea of city employees being able to
retire at age 50 and you the taxpayer footing the bill for their
health benefits for their lifetime? Many cannot afford health
insurance themselves and yet they are paying for someone else to
receive this benefit. Are we against spending TIF funds until
the TIFA expires and then revert these funds to the general
fund? I guess if this is done, the city could continue to
support the present retirement and benefits plan. Whoops, there
goes that juvenile thinking again. Sorry, I guess I am just a
floundering adult with a juvenile mind.
6-9-2008-01 There have
been at least two deaths caused by the Chapin Pits. A youngster,
about twelve years old whose last name was Goodchild fell in the
east Chapin pit and drowned. An elderly gentleman named Sandona
fell in the west Chapin pit and died.
6-7-2008-01 To 6/4/08 6-6-2008-02
6-5-2008-01
Thanks for your post! You reaffirmed
my original post by pointing out the dangers you were taught and
taught your children associated with Chapin Pit. In your quick
response to be negative, you missed the whole point of my post.
Go back and read it again! I'm all in favor of a walking trail.
I can't see turning an apple into an apple when we now have the
orange. That is the point of my post! Read it as it was
posted!!!! Let's stay off the front page. Have a nice day, and
continue to warn your children about the dangers associated with
the pit.
6-6-2008-01
Iron Mountains' Tax Increment
Finance Authority (TIFA) has hit the point that experts
predict most "abused" TIFs will hit. With the arrival of Mr.
John Marquart, Iron Mountains' TIF now has the tail wagging
the dog. With his carefully orchestrated removal of the
individuals that were educated and informed on how and why Iron
Mountains' TIF was created, Mr. John Marquart now has the
freedom to do what is best for his interest rather than
the interests of all the taxpayers in the City of Iron
Mountain.
As indicated by the experts,
most citizens don't get themselves informed on the inner
workings of how TIFs' should legally work. Now I'm far from an
expert, but I have done some reading on TIFs. I'm not going to
be some ill informed puppet that has to put my name to an
article in the newspaper to achieve political recognition in
favor of a few individuals. I would suggest that all of you do
the same. A good starting point I've found is on the web at the
following location:
http://www.heartland.org/PolicyBotTopic.cfm?artTopic=305
Numerous articles and reports show
the pros and cons of TIFs. Graphs, charts and "final analysis"
indicate the effects TIFs have on all taxing jurisdictions
(local, county, state) within cities that have a TIF. If you
think that as a taxpayer living outside the TIF District that
you are NOT effected by the TIF, you must get informed. Of
course if you want to know the actual intent of Iron Mountains'
TIFA, get a copy of the TIF Plan with the most recent Amendment
#2 adopted May 19, 1997 from the City and a copy of the Law "Act
450" as amended from the State web site.
Several questions that I've read on
this web-site can be answered with education and information.
Most of the answers come from the TIFA Plan itself.
1. Can a TIF spend money outside of
its' boundaries? NO ! Yet several individuals take pride in the
fact that TIFA has spent money on Traders Mine Road and the
Champion property. Traders Mine Road is not in the TIF District
and the Champion property was not even in the City. Lehman Road,
Not in the TIF boundaries at all!
2.Can TIFA purchase land? Yes. The
TIFA Plan indicates that Acquisition of Land/Structures bounded
by Brown Street and Ludington US-2 and and (sic) Carpenter
Avenue. Estimated Cost is $150,000.00 according to the TIFA
Plan. No other land purchases are included in
the TIFA Plan. In fact, in a TIFA meeting regarding the purchase
of the land for the now Boss parking lot, former City Manager
Jim Urbany whom was hired as a consultant for TIFA, requested
the TIFA Board get a legal opinion on acquiring this land. In
fact, in a memo to Jim Urbany from Gerry Pirkola dated August
26,2003, Mr. Pirkola concludes and recommends "From my review of
the above-cited provisions in the Development Plan, it appears
that TIFA is permitted to purchase private property within the
district. However, because the potential purchase of the
property in question is not identified in the TIFA plan, I would
recommend that the Plan be amended in accordance with the
above-referenced provision authorizing the creation of TIF
Districts."
The above-cited provision that Mr.
Pirkola was referring to is Section D of the Amended Development
Plan which allows revenues generated in the development area "to
pay the cost of any additional improvements to the development
area that are termed necessary by the TIF Authority and approved
by the City Council in accordance with the procedure for initial
approval of the plan as set forth in the amendment procedures
under Act 450." Section D also provides: "Any and all amendments
or modifications to the approved Development Plan or this Tax
Increment Financing Plan must be submitted by the TIF Authority
to the Iron Mountain City Council for approval. The public
hearing provisions and public notices that were necessary for
approving the original plans must apply to said amendments or
modifications pursuant to Public Act 450 of 1980, as amended."
ENTER Mr. Marquart and the purchase of this land and the Khoury
property!
My questions on this would be: Why
was the Public never notified of the purchases of land NOT in
the TIF Plan? Why did the former City Council approve purchasing
land NOT in the TIF Plan? Can't the City and TIFA be sued over
this?
3. Did Mr. Marquart in a recent City
Council meeting state: TIFA is a board all of its own and can
spend TIFA funds as it sees fit. The City Council has no say in
how TIFA funds are spent? Oh, Really! I guess Mr. John Marquart
along with his legal counsel feel that Section D of the TIFA
Plan have no legal power.
Section D. Use of Tax Increments
Fourth, to pay, to the extent
determined desirable by the TIF Authority and approved by
the CITY, the cost of completing public improvements as set
forth in the development plan, etc...
Fifth, to pay the cost of any
additional improvements to the development area that are
determined necessary by the TIF Authority and approved by
the City Council in accordance with the procedure for
initial approval of the plan and as set forth in the amendment
procedures under Act 450.
Any and all amendments or
modifications to the approved development plan or this tax
increment financing plan must be submitted by the TIF
Authority to the Iron Mountain City
Council for approval.
4. Did TIFA have some legal
documentation in regard to returning captured taxes back to the
County? Yes. In fact, after years of capturing millions of tax
revenues that effected such things as the Library, Senior
Citizens, Breitung Schools debt, county operating, hospital
debt, and School Operating funds, the three NEW council members
ensured that this agreement was adhered to. If it was up to Mr.
John Marquart and his new found group of worshipers, the City
would still be capturing these revenues. Of course as the
experts point out in their analysis: "there is no free
lunch". For every dollar TIFs capture, those tax-payers that
don't benefit from the captured taxes pay more money for
essential services.
5. Is it a bad sign when one or two
developers dictate how TIF revenues are spent? Read what the
experts have to say on this one! When the City Council and
the citizens have lost the authority to oversee the expenditures
of TIF revenues, and the hand picked TIF Authority is meeting in
closed session to discuss information that by LAW is required to
be discussed in open meetings, WE have lost our ability to
ensure fair government.
6. Can a City Council or its
members, and a Tax Increment Authority and its members be sued?
Yes! Don't waste your time or money. State and local legal
officials want nothing to do with this topic. Trust Me! "The
best way to deal with this is on a local level." So how do WE do
that? Inform yourself on what is true. Don't listen to the
uninformed "truth" group that has nothing but self-interest in
mind. Get rid of the four arms that support the head of the
monster.
I could go on, but I think you get
the point. I have much respect for the three new council members
for trying to do what is correct and legal. Though you have
endured personal attacks, you continue to do what is right for
those of us that elected you to represent us. Remember, that was
a majority in the last election!
Continue to do what the City Charter
and Laws require. You may be attacked by the minority
that continue to support those that got the city into this mess,
but stay positive. Worst case scenario is they will get their
own way then everyone can suffer together and look back at what
should have been.
If nothing else, City Manager John
Marquart has done a fine job dividing what was once a city that
could work together for the best interest of its citizens.
Friend upon friend, neighbor upon neighbor, family upon family.
We are a community that is divided further than we have ever
been.
6-5-2008-04 Virginia Feleppa's
Letter to the Editor in the Tuesday, June edition of the Daily News
criticizing Linda Lobeck was uncalled for. I was at the meeting and
heard Steve Mariucci's comments also. 6-5-2008-03 Post 6-3-2008-01 is
saying, in so many words, that every council member has to vote for
the budget at the Public Hearing because failing to do so would be a
violation of the city charter. 6-5-2008-01
In response to: 6/04/08
Comparing Chapin Pit to Presque Isle
in Marquette, is like comparing apples to oranges. I lived in
Marquette for 13 years and the island was a favorite spot of
mine and my family. The "accidents" that happened there were
because people did not follow the warnings. Walking out on the
break wall or on the black rocks, during a storm or impending
storm is tempting fate. I was raised in Iron Mountain and
returned to Iron Mountain. I was warned about the dangers of
playing around the pits and I educated my children of the
dangers. Just how many people (children included) have fallen
into these waters and have perished in the history of Iron
Mountain. I can't understand why there is such negativity to
this positive improvement or any of the other proposed additions
or improvements to our city.
6-4-2008-02 Can anyone tell me what is to become of the Out-To-Lunch program now that Margaret Johnson has stepped down? I looked on the City website and found nothing listed for this year's program. That program was a big plus for downtown. I hope someone is taking over. 6-4-2008-01 I see the City has decided to do work around the Chapin pit. I'm hearing that a walking path is being built. Is this true? Now I'm all for walking paths, but can't they find a safer place to do this? I was told years ago, the land around the Chapin pit was fenced-off because of the potential for the grounds caving in. Who is going to take responsibility for the first person that magically disappears? Did the City do any type of geological survey or any "final analysis" to verify the safety of these lands? Why would someone remove all the vegetation that holds the soil in place from erosion? Is this going to be the start of the erosion that sends the highway tumbling into a sink-hole again? I'm sorry, but I think the City has put the " cart before the horse" on this one. Now that there are City approved holes in the fence, I'm glad I have no young children at home that are going to be enticed to check-out the pit. I guess I'm just an "old poop"! I should look at this like all kids should learn how to swim one day, or not. Maybe this fits into the " awash in change" theme. I can see the front page of the paper now. We can be just like the City of Marquette at Presque Isle, and have a drowning or falling victim every year that just happens to wonder a step or two off the trail. Good idea, wrong place. 6-3-2008-01 In response to 6-1-08 02 You stated that the new council members are following the City Charter but at the most recent meeting, where the budget was brought forth, Bruce Rosen was willing to break the charter requirements and withhold the budget approval until after June 1. Tina Peterson made a comment in reasoning why she wouldn’t vote for the budget. As she put it, you shouldn’t be writing checks for services if know that the money is not in the bank. That is like calling the kettle black. There have been many changes in the City of Iron Mountain that are for the better, but some are not willing to admit that they have happened. 6-2-2008-01 5-28-08 The answer to your question : “NO” 6-1-2008-02
Yes, we do have a divided city
council in Iron Mountain. The reasons are many and obvious. Do the taxpayers know this?
The three new members are insisting on a
cost-benefit analysis, but none has been forthcoming. 6-1-2008-01
In response to
5-29-2008-02
All I read on this site is all of the past mistakes that the council has made. And continue to make by 4 to 3 votes. If we are going to do that, then why not look back to the 90s when the city decided that Crystal Lake was just a holding pond then let’s go back to the 50’s when it started. I have a vision but it starts…. Are you sure it isn’t an hallucination? That is like the guy who throws his whole paycheck to the casino week after week because he has a vision of winning big. That is what the city has been doing for the last four years throwing it all to the pot to try to win big. And the tax payers are like the wife and kids that find out that daddy had three mortgages on the house and cashed in his pension and insurance before killing himself because his vision didn’t pan out. |